Re: fyi: European Demand for DNT

Hi!

Thanks a lot! I agree. Note that we should do this for both specs
separately (TPE and TCS) to understand what features of what spec to
pursue further.

matthias



Am 23.08.2016 22:36, schrieb David Singer:
> I think a test site that actually exercised the full spec., and deployment sites that in aggregate used the full spec., would help move matters along.
>
>> On Aug 23, 2016, at 16:23 , Mike O'Neill <michael.oneill@baycloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> I know of at least one company looking into implementing DNT right now, including using the API, and several others who will in the next year. I hope to be able to introduce at least one in the next few weeks.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob van Eijk [mailto:rob@blaeu.com] 
>> Sent: 23 August 2016 20:29
>> To: Carl Cargill <cargill@adobe.com>
>> Cc: Aleecia M. McDonald <aleecia@aleecia.com>; public-tracking@w3.org (public-tracking@w3.org) (public-tracking@w3.org) <public-tracking@w3.org>
>> Subject: RE: fyi: European Demand for DNT
>>
>>
>> A realistic outcome to work on are standard implementations. It should 
>> be obvious and simple for companies to implement the standard. The 
>> standard implementations should cover the whole range of realistic use 
>> case, e.g. out-of-band consent, site specific consent scenario's, and 
>> all the way up the stack to web wide opt-out scenario's.
>>
>> Morover, we should - in my view - think through how we can improve the 
>> building blocks in the TPE to help organizations that do not have access 
>> to the web server configuration and are therefore not able to configure 
>> the HTTP Header.
>>
>> I will try to bring at least one big organization to the table that is 
>> willing to explore implementation at scale.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> Carl Cargill schreef op 2016-08-23 20:10:
>>> All -
>>>
>>> I think that Aleecia's suggestion to gather information on use and
>>> potential outcomes has merit.  It would be good to be able to show
>>> that - if the charter is extended/recreated, there will be a need/use
>>> for the spec.  I'll be happy to act as the advocate for such a meeting
>>> (A BoF table or meeting after regularly scheduled activities) at TPAC.
>>> The only thing that I ask is that the meeting work towards an
>>> outcome, and not serve as a bully pulpit for an opinion.  As I've
>>> often said, a standard only gains credibility when it is implemented
>>> on a scale that impacts the market.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> Carl Cargill
>>> Principal Scientist, Standards
>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>> cargill@adobe
>>> Work:  +1 541 488 0040
>>> Mobile: +1 650 759 9803
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Aleecia M. McDonald [mailto:aleecia@aleecia.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 10:55 AM
>>> To: public-tracking@w3.org (public-tracking@w3.org)
>>> (public-tracking@w3.org) <public-tracking@w3.org>
>>> Subject: Re: fyi: European Demand for DNT
>>>
>>> +1 to postponing the charter decision pending more information / real
>>> world outcomes.
>>> I think that is wise and has minimal cost.
>>>
>>> I would call in to TPAC, if possible. I cannot attend in person.
>>>
>>> (We also talked of a hackathon. I have a meeting tomorrow that will
>>> help me understand the level of pain involved to throw one.)
>>>
>>> 	Aleecia
>>>
>>>> On Aug 23, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will be there mid-week and could make Wednesday, I think. best, Joe
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 10:39 AM, TOUBIANA Vincent <vtoubiana@cnil.fr> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> If this session is confirmed I'm also likely to attend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Vincent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> De : Mike O'Neill [michael.oneill@baycloud.com]
>>>>> Envoyé : mardi 23 août 2016 16:26
>>>>> À : 'Matthias Schunter (Intel Corporation)'; public-tracking@w3.org
>>>>> Objet : RE: fyi: European Demand for DNT
>>>>>
>>>>> I have booked in for TPAC middle 3 days, though not air tickets yet. 
>>>>> I will be there if others are going.
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Matthias Schunter (Intel Corporation) 
>>>>> [mailto:mts-std@schunter.org]
>>>>> Sent: 23 August 2016 13:58
>>>>> To: public-tracking@w3.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: fyi: European Demand for DNT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for your quick response! To be honest: I have not 100% decided 
>>>>> whether I can make TPAC (and you caught me at it) ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that such a discussion would be worthwhile. Ideally, I would 
>>>>> like to obtain some indication of potential interest before deciding 
>>>>> whether to reschedule my other travels to make room for attending 
>>>>> TPAC.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you and/or Wendy advise me how to best make it happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> The best option seems to me to propose a breakout session for 
>>>>> wednesday, right? Are there other preferred options?
>>>>> Is there a list to which I could send a "call for participation" to 
>>>>> collect expressions of interest?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 23.08.2016 14:26, schrieb Jeff Jaffe:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/23/2016 8:17 AM, Matthias Schunter (Intel Corporation) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Team,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> one point we discussed during our last call was whether the EU 
>>>>> landscape
>>>>> changes and whether TPE may play a key role to simplify compliance 
>>>>> with
>>>>> the changing EU landscape.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had an interesting discussion with Rob. What I learned is that the 
>>>>> EU
>>>>> regulators are currently pushing for more informed consent and that 
>>>>> the
>>>>> current "implied consent" for tracking and cookies may soon go away.
>>>>> Another topic will be machine-managed and readable consent to 
>>>>> simplify
>>>>> consent handingl
>>>>>
>>>>> Regulations that are upcoming (Rob: Please correct me if I remembered
>>>>> correctly):
>>>>> - 2018 E Privacy Regulation (replacing the 1995 privacy directive by 
>>>>> one
>>>>> EU-wide regulation)
>>>>> - 2019 Cookie Regulation (replacing the 2009 cookie directive by one
>>>>> EU-wide regulation)
>>>>>    In September, a first draft will be published.
>>>>>
>>>>> If web-site owners agree with these observations, then there should 
>>>>> be
>>>>> increasing demand for DNT (or other approaches for handling consent).
>>>>>
>>>>> What I am now looking for is:
>>>>> - Input from EU players whether they are indeed concerned on how to
>>>>> handle automated consent
>>>>> - Further requirements how W3C TPWG can simplify compliance in the EU
>>>>> - Additional members of our WG that can represent this perspective 
>>>>> and
>>>>> requirements (ideally from an end-user perspective).
>>>>> - I may try to visit the TPAC in Lisbon to gather more inputs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will try to reach out to IAB Europe (I will also discuss with EFF 
>>>>> to
>>>>> get their input on using TPE for expressing compliance with EFF 
>>>>> rules).
>>>>>
>>>>> Formally, I would like to postpone the re-charter discussion into
>>>>> October to have more data as input for this decision (e.g. one input
>>>>> will be the draft EU cookie regulation published in September).
>>>>>
>>>>> Any inputs, suggestions, feedback are welcome!
>>>>>
>>>>> All that makes sense to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it leaves out what item that we discussed at the last call.  I 
>>>>> thought you were going to assemble the major European players at TPAC 
>>>>> (since it is in Lisbon, so they will be there already) and use that 
>>>>> meeting to assess the common understanding of the need for DNT.  Your 
>>>>> comment above ("I may visit TPAC") sounds like the idea of a major 
>>>>> discussion in TPAC has been dropped.  Do I understand correctly?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> matthias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
> Dave Singer
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