Re: Confused by DAA's messages. Please explain

David,

> We currently don't see a need to offer DNT:0 to users;  that situation 
> may change.

I do not want to interrupt the discussion, but there is a need for 
DNT:0 for all EU users.

Rob

David Singer schreef op 2013-07-09 10:29:
> On Jul 8, 2013, at 19:35 , Peter Cranstone <peter.cranstone@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> David,
>> 
>> Thanks for the clarification - but you answer is as ambiguous as 
>> Roy's syntactically DNT argument. Here's why - just do the following 
>> on your iPhone: Settings > Safari > Turn On Private Browsing.
>> 
>> Next please tell me where I get the 'conscious choice' to enable a 
>> DNT setting?
> 
> You get two ways to enable DNT:1
> 
> a) as a remote option only; or
> b) local and remote: with a local context that is discarded at the
> end of the private session.
> 
> You made an explicit choice for privacy in either case; the only
> choice you made.  It's not bundled with your choice of breakfast,
> insurance carrier, or residence, or anything else.
> 
>> I don't even see DNT listed – in fact you wouldn't even know it's 
>> actually been set UNLESS you hit a server echo page. How does that 
>> align with the spec?
> 
> We're still working on the help pages, and so on.  See the recent
> post with a suggested 'shared' DNT-for-users page, for example.
> 
>> Apple has imposed a choice on the user. By selecting Private Browsing 
>> you MUST accept a DNT setting of 1.
> 
> By choosing 'private browsing' you have explicitly and consciously
> asked for privacy.
> 
>> There is no choice in the matter.
> 
> Privacy was the *only* choice you made.
> 
>> Semantically your argument is correct because what you're saying is 
>> that 'I want private browsing therefore I MUST want DNT=1'. Well in 
>> that case why doesn't the spec reflect that if a user wants to 
>> 'privately browse' from any web browser (which we all do) then the 
>> default setting becomes a 1.
> 
> That's a choice for browser implementors.
> 
>> You can't have it both ways – IE10 asks the user to select a privacy 
>> setting whereby a DNT signal is sent. Currently Apple doesn't offer a 
>> Privacy setting where there is a choice of what is sent which can be 
>> selected by the user. (No way to send a DNT=0).
> 
> We currently don't see a need to offer DNT:0 to users;  that
> situation may change.
> 
>> 
>> Apple's Mobile Safari implementation of the TPWG spec does NOT meet 
>> the correct guidelines
> 
> in your opinion, which I think is flawed.
> 
> 
> David Singer
> Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.

Received on Tuesday, 9 July 2013 08:45:01 UTC