- From: Peter Cranstone <peter.cranstone@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:46:20 -0600
- To: Jeffrey Chester <jeff@democraticmedia.org>, Alan Chapell <achapell@chapellassociates.com>
- CC: "Aleecia M. McDonald" <aleecia@aleecia.com>, "public-tracking@w3.org (public-tracking@w3.org)" <public-tracking@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CC10941C.4530%peter.cranstone@gmail.com>
Implementation is already taking place. All the major Browser OEM's (except one, and you can use a plugin) already support sending the DNT header. The issue therefore moves to the server and what is required by the content providers. Again it's fairly straightforward ¡© if you see DNT:1 AND you have agreed to honor it, then you should do so. The spec already gives more than enough detail on what is required from thereon. I see no issues from a technology standpoint (maybe some performance issues but those can be overcome). The remaining issues are all "policy". Peter ___________________________________ Peter J. Cranstone 720.663.1752 From: Jeffrey Chester <jeff@democraticmedia.org> Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:11 AM To: Alan Chapell <achapell@chapellassociates.com> Cc: "Aleecia M. McDonald" <aleecia@aleecia.com>, W3 Tracking <public-tracking@w3.org> Subject: Re: f2f wrap up & next steps Resent-From: W3 Tracking <public-tracking@w3.org> Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:12:30 +0000 > We made some very good progress at the F2F, better understanding the issues > which we need to address. The group's work should continue with the Charter > extended, as the public expects us to accomplish something significant. As > for implementation issues, let's get the basics right. We have a significant > opportunity here to achieve our collective goals of fostering > monetization/robust online publishing with privacy values. > > Consumer groups have said along we understand reasonable phased- in policies > will be required. While I appreciate Alan's concern about the impact on small > and medium businesses, we will keep them in mind as we work to finalize a > framework that works. > > Regards, > > Jeff > Center for Digital Democracy > > > > > On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Alan Chapell wrote: > >> Thanks Aleecia. >> >> I'm sure this wasn't your intent, but I'd caution the group against creating >> the impression that the marketplace should look to implement right now given >> that we haven't defined many of the key terms at this point. While it may >> make sense for some companies to expiriment and look through documentation as >> we create it, the reality is that many small to mid-sized companies may not >> have the resources to pour into understanding let along implementing a >> document where key terms are still in flux. Not to mention that any public >> representation that one is complying with DNT may subject a company to >> regulatory scrutiny. >> >> Also, I wanted to circle back regarding the group's charter. Thomas mentioned >> something about rechartering during the meeting, but I hadn't heard anything >> further. I'm wondering if this is an appropriate opportunity to re-evaluate >> what we're really trying to accomplish in this group ¡© as there seemed to be >> a myriad of opinions raised to that effect in Bellevue. And to be clear, I'm >> not necessarily advocating specific changes to the charter. In any event, if >> the W3C is working under the assumption that rechartering should >> automatically take place without at least some group discussion, I would see >> that as problematic. I'm sure that's not the case. So, I'm simply asking if >> this will be on the July 11 agenda? I believe the charter expires in July, >> correct? >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alan Chapell >> Chapell & Associates >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/25/12 11:17 PM, "Aleecia M. McDonald" <aleecia@aleecia.com> wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Thank you to the 60+ people who attended the Seattle meeting, many of whom >>> flew great distances to make it. We walked in with two Compliance proposals >>> that were far apart, with neither able to reach consensus in the form it was >>> in. As a group we decided we needed to move the proposals closer to the >>> center, and we did just that. We walked out with an overall direction that >>> everyone can live with for permitted business uses, including proposed text >>> for two of the five we discussed, and great new ideas. We can now see the >>> outline what DNT will look like and where we need to go. We took up some of >>> the most contentious remaining issues, on purpose, and we made solid >>> progress on the hardest stuff. >>> >>> I am particularly pleased with proposals that allow business uses to >>> continue while improving privacy, by doing things a little differently with >>> a low burden for implementation. That's a home run. That's exactly what we >>> are looking for, the point where everyone can live with the outcome. That is >>> the hope and promise for DNT, and what we are all working so hard to >>> realize. We still have a lot to do. There are many details to fit into >>> place, some of them quite important to some stakeholders. We will work >>> through them. I was encouraged hearing people say, "This is not what I would >>> choose, but I can live with it in order to move forward." Well done. That's >>> how consensus happens. >>> >>> On TPE, editors will incorporate decisions that came out of the final day, >>> and then we will review the final text as a group to ensure all is as >>> agreed. Similarly on Compliance, the editors will write a strawman proposal >>> that incorporates text from four different documents (existing draft, >>> proposed combination draft, proposal from Shane et al, proposal from >>> Jonathan et al.) That strawman is already well in progress thanks to our >>> talented editors. My hope is for a Compliance strawman draft by the week of >>> July 2. As a group, we will then review all text that has not had consensus >>> (that is, no need to re-review text that was already agreed upon in prior >>> drafts, nor the text we agreed upon while Nick live-edited during the >>> Seattle meeting.) We need to publish new drafts soon, since it has been >>> several months since our last publications. We will evaluate the state of >>> the drafts to see if we are ready to ask for input as a First Last Call >>> document with major issues resolved, or if we are looking at a Third Public >>> Working Draft. >>> >>> Either way, I believe we will be far enough along for many potential early >>> adopters to begin their work on implementations without risk of redoing >>> major work, provided we are very clear about where work remains in flux. To >>> do that well, as Ian points out, we will need at least one user agent >>> developing a compliant implementation so we can test interoperability. We >>> have already worked through about half of the issues on user agent >>> compliance with one conference call and an hour in Seattle. We'll work >>> through the rest in the fairly near term. After we review the strawman >>> draft, if you are planning on doing an implementation soon and there are >>> specific unresolved Compliance issues that would get in your way, I'm open >>> to prioritizing them earlier. Just let me know so I can make informed >>> scheduling trade offs. >>> >>> Our next face-to-face meeting will be in Europe, likely in mid- to late >>> September. If you have a location that can handle about 70 people in that >>> time frame for three days, please let us know the details. We have a >>> generous standing offer to go back to Brussels, though we try to hold >>> meetings in varied locations to distribute the travel burden. Once we know >>> our options we will use an online Doodle poll to understand which >>> possibilities allow the greatest number of TPWG members to attend, just as >>> we have done for past meetings. >>> >>> Coming soon... >>> - a new mailing list to receive external comments. By the time we get out of >>> Last Call, we'll have a few of those, plus comments from implementations. >>> - Rigo will begin to organize the first draft of the Global Considerations >>> document, which will be non-normative. >>> >>> To me, it felt like Seattle was the bumpiest f2f I've co-chaired. I am >>> thrilled to have new voices and a greater breadth of stakeholders, but it is >>> challenging with different levels of understanding of the work to date. Next >>> time, perhaps we need a mandatory in person pre-meeting for anyone who has >>> not attended a prior f2f. It's also hard to make progress with the sheer >>> number of people. I didn't scale with the group size as well as I'd like. I >>> have some ideas and will keep thinking about that. And I made it harder on >>> all of us than it had to be because I started to get frustrated. We'd spent >>> two months with radically different proposals and movement by inches when we >>> needed yards. What I learned last week is to have more faith in the ability >>> of the full group to get hard things done, and to trust the process. We're >>> making progress, moving toward the middle, and as Ed points out, we can see >>> where the final compromise needs to be. Let's make it happen. >>> >>> Thank you again to Microsoft for the space, and for Facebook, Google, and >>> Yahoo! for hosting financially and feeding us. A special warm thank you to >>> JC for taking great care of us in his beautiful city of Seattle. If you >>> scribed last week - thank you! If you didn't - be ready to do so an upcoming >>> call. :-) >>> >>> Aleecia >>> >>> > > Jeffrey Chester > Center for Digital Democracy > 1621 Connecticut Ave, NW, Suite 550 > Washington, DC 20009 > www.democraticmedia.org <http://www.democraticmedia.org> > www.digitalads.org <http://www.digitalads.org> > 202-986-2220 >
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