RE: ACTION-211 Draft text on how user agents must obtain consent to turn on a DNT signal

Of course if you agree that "non-compliant = invalid".  :)

- Shane

From: Shane Wiley [mailto:wileys@yahoo-inc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:10 PM
To: Ed Felten
Cc: Peter Cranstone; Justin Brookman; public-tracking@w3.org
Subject: RE: ACTION-211 Draft text on how user agents must obtain consent to turn on a DNT signal

Same - apologies for the mixed use.

- Shane

From: Ed Felten [mailto:ed@felten.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:09 PM
To: Shane Wiley
Cc: Peter Cranstone; Justin Brookman; public-tracking@w3.org
Subject: Re: ACTION-211 Draft text on how user agents must obtain consent to turn on a DNT signal

Shane,

Does "invalid UA" mean the same thing as "non-compliant UA"?   Or do you mean "invalid" to be broader somehow?


On Wednesday, June 13, 2012, Shane Wiley wrote:
Peter,

That is up to the Server to make the choice to reply with an "Invalid UA" response and provide users with options from that point forward.  That Server will need to defend its position to consumers, advocates, etc. but should absolutely have that option.  Whatever overhead that comes that choice (PR defense, coding overhead, etc.) is the Servers to manage from that point forward.

- Shane

From: Peter Cranstone [mailto:peter.cranstone@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'peter.cranstone@gmail.com');>]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:04 AM
To: Shane Wiley; Justin Brookman; public-tracking@w3.org<javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'public-tracking@w3.org');>
Subject: Re: ACTION-211 Draft text on how user agents must obtain consent to turn on a DNT signal



Shane,



The server does need to know because it's about to reject it. MSIE is non compliant in only ONE aspect - it sets the flag by default. In EVERY other aspect it is COMPLIANT because the user can change that preference.



So in essence you're saying that if you see a UA of MSIE 10 you're going to reject it immediately and send back a 400 message. Get ready to start writing lots of scripts or modules (your preference)



Peter
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From: Shane Wiley <wileys@yahoo-inc.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:58 AM
To: Peter Cranstone <peter.cranstone@gmail.com>, Justin Brookman <justin@cdt.org>, W3 Tracking <public-tracking@w3.org>
Subject: RE: ACTION-211 Draft text on how user agents must obtain consent to turn on a DNT signal



Peter,



The Server doesn't need to know - I believe that's the point you're missing.  The user installed a non-compliant UA and the Server will respond as such.  The user then has multiple options to exercise their choice but continued use of that specific UA to communicate DNT is NOT one of them.



- Shane



From: Peter Cranstone [mailto:peter.crans