- From: Chris Pedigo <CPedigo@online-publishers.org>
- Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:54:00 +0000
- To: Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org>
- CC: Jonathan Mayer <jmayer@stanford.edu>, "ifette@google.com" <ifette@google.com>, Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net>, David Singer <singer@apple.com>, "public-tracking@w3.org (public-tracking@w3.org)" <public-tracking@w3.org>
Question - if a site decides to honor any and all DNT:1 signals, regardless of whether the browser is non-compliant because it set DNT on by default, would the site be in non-compliance? On Jun 8, 2012, at 5:21 AM, "Rigo Wenning" <rigo@w3.org> wrote: > Jonathan, > > I had private exchanges with David about this and I think we are > talking past each other. You mean one can't brand "We do DNT" into > consumer's faces and then reject each and every DNT:1 request with > an NACK-header. And this is a valid point. BTW, your browser can > react on NACK by starting tor. I would love to see such intelligent > browsers and browser extensions. > > Ian and I mean, on the wire, it is better that you know someone is > rejecting your DNT preference. > > The problem is the assertion "We do DNT" as a marketing statement. > As we can define everything, we can also define when we allow people > to make that statement. Or even make a different (better) statement, > like "We honor your tracking preference". If you want to make it > enforceable, you would make a statement like "we honor the W3C > tracking preference statement". Then I can even enforce it (if I get > a budget for that). > > But I don't think by sending DNT:1 to some data graveyard from the > nineties that is still online, you'll get anything honored in > anyway. And you can't force that either. > > Rigo > P.S. This is actually an instance of the supermarket problem that > already haunted the PrimeLife and the PRIME project for those who > know. Those who want to know can contact me off-list. > > > On Friday 08 June 2012 01:05:00 Jonathan Mayer wrote: >> Ian, >> >> I'm gravely disappointed to hear you expressing the view, one year >> into this process, that third-party websites might just >> unilaterally renegotiate the W3C's Do Not Track standard >> post-ratification. That cuts against the cooperative spirit of >> these productive discussions, and I trust it is not Google's >> position. >> >> At any rate, I believe your view is misguided. Third-party >> websites are, to be sure, under no binding obligation to comply >> with the W3C's Do Not Track standard. But there are myriad >> reasons for companies to comply with the W3C specification, >> including growing pressures from users, policymakers, and the >> media. Moreover, if a company claims to support Do Not Track and >> it doesn't, it'll have to deal with the Federal Trade Commission >> and other law enforcement agencies. I should hope Google in >> particular appreciates the ramifications of incorrectly claiming >> to comply with a browser's default privacy setting. It's no >> coincidence that industry participants in the working group have >> a strong preference to develop consensus on this issue. >> >> Jonathan >> >> On Thursday, June 7, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: >>> A site is already under no obligation to conform to DNT. Would >>> you rather have the user be clear that their request is being >>> ignored, or left to wonder? >>> >>> -Ian >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann > <derhoermi@gmx.net (mailto:derhoermi@gmx.net)> wrote: >>>> * Rigo Wenning wrote: >>>>> [...] >>>> >>>> Are you proposing that saying "I ignore your tracking >>>> preferences" is all it should take to conform to the DNT >>>> specifications? -- >>>> Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjoern@hoehrmann.de · >>>> http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: >>>> +49(0)160/4415681 (tel:%2B49%280%29160%2F4415681) · >>>> http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. >>>> KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ > >
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