- From: Matthias Schunter <mts-std@schunter.org>
- Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 16:02:36 +0200
- To: Tamir Israel <tisrael@cippic.ca>
- CC: rob@blaeu.com, "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>, Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org>, "publ >> \"public-tracking@w3.org\"" <public-tracking@w3.org>
Hi Tamir, the goals are a) the DNT MUST reflect user preference b) We want to allow innovation for user agents and do not be too prescriptive. This is implemented by MAYs: As a consequence, there are many suggested ways how this can be implemented: The browser MAY ask the user at first use. The browser MAY ask the user at install-time. The browser MAY ask the user once a day. The user MAY choose to install a "maximise your privacy" suite (e.g., the TOR anonimizer) that includes DNT as a tool. ... ... .... [add any other suggestion how to reliably collect user preference] Regards, matthias On 21/06/2012 06:50, Tamir Israel wrote: > Yes, but the sense I'm getting is that the current spec sacrifices a > great deal in certainty in ways that can get very simply taken care of > by requiring UAs to get a user election. > > That wouldn't really be overly prescriptive. UAs, plugins, etc., will > have a great deal of leeway in how to go about doing this, when, etc. > > On 6/21/2012 12:45 AM, Rob van Eijk wrote: >> Because an overly prescriptive objective will not leave room for >> other ways to accomplish the same. >> In order to have a meaningful global DNT standard, it is important to >> have technical building blocks built in. >> >> On 20-6-2012 20:34, Tamir Israel wrote: >>> If the WG's objective is to ensure user preferences are expressed, >>> why don't we simply make this a MUST? >>> >>> On 6/20/2012 10:15 PM, Rob van Eijk wrote: >>>> Tnx Roy, >>>> >>>> <PROPOSED CHANGE> >>>> Normative: "... users MAY be given a choice during installation, >>>> update or first startup." >>>> >>>> Non-normative: >>>> There are use cases, where a choice given on first startup would be >>>> the preferred choice mechanism. >>>> For example, >>>> - a device can have multiple user profiles per installation; >>>> - in cases where browsers are not installed by the user. >>>> </PROPOSED CHANGE> >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> On 20-6-2012 18:22, Roy T. Fielding wrote: >>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Rob van Eijk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> <PROPOSED CHANGE> >>>>>> "... users may be given a choice during installation, update or >>>>>> first startup." >>>>>> </PROPOSED CHANGE> >>>>> Not during installation or update -- only during first use. >>>>> The preference should be stored in the user's browser config (along >>>>> with their other personal preferences); a device might want >>>>> to have multiple such user profiles per installation. >>>>> >>>>> In normal enterprise environments and the vast majority of purchased >>>>> computers, browsers are not installed by the user. They are >>>>> installed >>>>> by sysadmins, vendors, etc. Likewise, updates should not modify >>>>> user preferences. >>>>> >>>>> ....Roy >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >
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