Re: ISSUE-4 and clarity regarding browser defaults

Hi Tamir,

the goals are
 a) the DNT MUST reflect user preference
 b) We want to allow innovation for user agents and do not be too
prescriptive. This is implemented by MAYs: 

As a consequence, there are many suggested ways how this can be
    The browser MAY ask the user at first use.
    The browser MAY ask the user at install-time.
    The browser MAY ask the user once a day.
    The user MAY choose to install a "maximise your privacy" suite
(e.g., the TOR anonimizer) that includes DNT as a tool.
    ... ... .... [add any other suggestion how to reliably collect user


On 21/06/2012 06:50, Tamir Israel wrote:
> Yes, but the sense I'm getting is that the current spec sacrifices a
> great deal in certainty in ways that can get very simply taken care of
> by requiring UAs to get a user election.
> That wouldn't really be overly prescriptive. UAs, plugins, etc., will
> have a great deal of leeway in how to go about doing this, when, etc.
> On 6/21/2012 12:45 AM, Rob van Eijk wrote:
>> Because an overly prescriptive objective will not leave room for
>> other ways to accomplish the same.
>> In order to have a meaningful global DNT standard, it is important to
>> have technical building blocks built in.
>> On 20-6-2012 20:34, Tamir Israel wrote:
>>> If  the WG's objective is to ensure user preferences are expressed,
>>> why don't we simply make this a MUST?
>>> On 6/20/2012 10:15 PM, Rob van Eijk wrote:
>>>> Tnx Roy,
>>>> Normative: "... users MAY be given a choice during installation,
>>>> update or first startup."
>>>> Non-normative:
>>>> There are use cases, where a choice given on first startup would be
>>>> the preferred choice mechanism.
>>>> For example,
>>>> - a device can have multiple user profiles per installation;
>>>> - in cases where browsers are not installed by the user.
>>>> Rob
>>>> On 20-6-2012 18:22, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Rob van Eijk wrote:
>>>>>> "... users may be given a choice during installation, update or
>>>>>> first startup."
>>>>> Not during installation or update -- only during first use.
>>>>> The preference should be stored in the user's browser config (along
>>>>> with their other personal preferences); a device might want
>>>>> to have multiple such user profiles per installation.
>>>>> In normal enterprise environments and the vast majority of purchased
>>>>> computers, browsers are not installed by the user.  They are
>>>>> installed
>>>>> by sysadmins, vendors, etc.  Likewise, updates should not modify
>>>>> user preferences.
>>>>> ....Roy

Received on Saturday, 7 July 2012 14:03:03 UTC