- From: Lauren Gelman <gelman@blurryedge.com>
- Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:09:13 -0800
- To: Jeffrey Chester <jeff@democraticmedia.org>
- Cc: John Simpson <john@consumerwatchdog.org>, David Wainberg <dwainberg@appnexus.com>, Shane Wiley <wileys@yahoo-inc.com>, Tracking Protection Working Group WG <public-tracking@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <4CC88BBB-8214-4DDB-835D-3B00D00C3A5D@blurryedge.com>
I was not privy to the conversations in Geneva. But +1 for the idea that this laundry list of exceptions is a very, very bad idea. While "don't break the internet" is a good intention for the project, it should not codified the current advertising business model as of 1/2012 in a way that stops progress or innovation. Plus, I have a little knowledge of this stuff and I don't even understand what these exceptions encompass. [Does anyone have an intern or student that can make a chart with each value of DNT (on the horizontal) against the actual information that can be collected, including with the proposed exceptions exemptions (on the vertical)? That could be pretty helpful but I don't understand this enough to do it] For example, what exactly, technically is frequency capping? Might it be reasonable to say that a person with DNT:1 has to see the same ad many times? That is part of the trade-off? Maybe this will make people think tracking is awesome and opt-in! Maybe advertisers get a % discount based on a publishers % of users who were DNT:1? What if someone comes up with a new way to deal with this problem that is not called "frequency capping"? No one is even going to try if you publish a standard with this exception. [And frankly it is logically incoherent to say that it DNT:1 means you CAN NOT track someone to SHOW them ads but you CAN track them to NOT SHOW them ads.] What exactly, technically is financial logging? By targeting criteria, you mean which segment? For a DNT:1 user, what does this look like and why does it have to be identifying? I think everyone agrees that you can track someone who clicks on an ad. So are you saying that a publisher can share identifying information with 3rd parties about DNT:1 users that are shown an ad to prove that they met a segment? How is that different than the behavior that is prohibited? Anonymous/aggregate: any data that an entity received in compliance with DNT:1 should not require an exception to keep in anonymous/aggregate form indefinitely so I don't know why this is needed. This should be part of a retention limitation that applies to data collected under the other exemptions. audit- a third party auditor should be a service provider so I don't know why this is needed. On Feb 1, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Jeffrey Chester wrote: > > I also have concerns about these exceptions and we need to fine-tune and vet them carefully. First, the notion that DNT will "break the Internet" is over-broad. What we are talking about are the business practices and conditions for digital marketing. As I expressed last week, I am in favor in principle of supporting current practices used for ad monetization/delivery practices in a DNT environment. But we need to specify how such exemptions permit an individual who doesn't wish to be tracked. If DNT:1 is sent, then we need to have system where frequency capping cannot occur using traditional methods. So I look forward to granular discussion on these. As for market research, this is used as part of the profiling process, in addition to trend analysis (esp. as we move further with real-time optimization). I assume panelists will disable DNT, so no exemption needed for them. When research is to be conducted other ways, they should respect DNT. > > > > >> It seems to me you're starting open a floodgate of exceptions. I don't understand the need for the "market research" exception. In addition each exception should come with a limit on long the data can be retained. >> >> >> On Jan 31, 2012, at 10:42 AM, David Wainberg wrote: >> >>> In addition to these use based exceptions, shouldn't there be collection based exceptions that incentivize privacy-friendly technologies that use less data or store it in privacy safe ways? For example, where would Adnostic fall? >>> >>> On 1/31/12 12:57 AM, Shane Wiley wrote: >>>> >>>> I would also propose the addition of “Product Improvement” to cover “customer service inquiries, debugging, and non-user specific modeling for algorithmic improvements.” >>>> >>>> From: Shane Wiley >>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:54 PM >>>> To: public-tracking@w3.org >>>> Subject: ACTION-49: Propose what the operational carve-outs for 3.6.1.2.1 (e.g. debugging by 3rd party) are >>>> >>>> Description: >>>> Propose what the operational carve-outs for 3.6.1.2.1 (e.g. debugging by 3rd party) are >>>> >>>> NOTE – Initially captured in ISSUE-22 >>>> >>>> Draft: >>>> <Non-Normative> >>>> In order to not "break the Internet" and still protect consumer privacy concerns, it will be necessary to provide operational >>>> purpose exceptions for critically necessary business activities even when the DNT signal is on. There are several key categories of data collection and use that must remain intact such that web site operators who are (in the vast majority) offering their services free of charge in exchange for advertising on their properties. >>>> >>>> In order to motivate immediate web-wide implementation of the DNT standard upon release it will be important to focus on use based exceptions initially. Where technical solutions exist and are readily available, parties should transition to these options over use-based restrictions. It’s difficult to put an exact date for when these solutions will become generally available in the marketplace but it will be critical for large site operators to collaborate with industry and academics to develop these future solutions as soon as possible. >>>> >>>> With this in mind, the following exceptions are to be interpreted as MUST employ use-based controls and SHOULD employ technology solutions that avoid collection in the first place. >>>> >>>> <Normative> >>>> Parties may continue to collect and use data in a very limited number of operational purposes outlined here: >>>> >>>> - Frequency Capping: A form of historical tracking to ensure the number of times a user sees the same ad is kept to a minimum. Provides a benefit to users to not see the same ad over and over again, as well as, a benefit to advertisers who receive negative brand reaction if an ad is shown too many times to users. Capping data collection and use SHOULD be limited to only campaign IDs and frequency counters where possible. >>>> >>>> - Financial Logging: Ad impressions and clicks (and sometimes conversions) events are tied to financial transactions (this is how online advertising is billed) and therefore must be collected and stored for billing and auditing purposes. Information such as what targeting criteria existed for a particular ad campaign MAY need to be retained for audit purposes to demonstrate an ad server met its obligations to an advertiser. >>>> >>>> - Aggregated & Anonymous Reporting: Data may be retained if it is de-identified and aggregated in such a manner as to not allow re-identification of an individual or unique device. >>>> >>>> - 3rd Party Auditing: As online advertising is a billed event and there are concerns with accuracy in impression counting and quality of placement so 3rd party auditors provide an independent reporting service to advertisers and agencies so they can compare reporting for accuracy. >>>> >>>> - Security: From traditional security attacks to more elaborate fraudulent activity, Ad Servers and Publishers must have the ability to log data about suspected bad actors to discern and filter their activities from legitimate transactions. This information is sometimes shared across 3rd parties in cooperatives to help reduce the daisy-chain effect of attacks across the ad ecosystem. >>>> >>>> - Market Research: Data collected for the express purpose of market research MAY be retained at a per user/device level for a limited time to allow for reasonable aggregation. >> >> ---------- >> John M. Simpson >> Consumer Advocate >> Consumer Watchdog >> 1750 Ocean Park Blvd. ,Suite 200 >> Santa Monica, CA,90405 >> Tel: 310-392-7041 >> Cell: 310-292-1902 >> www.ConsumerWatchdog.org >> john@consumerwatchdog.org >> > Lauren Gelman BlurryEdge Strategies 415-627-8512 gelman@blurryedge.com http://blurryedge.com
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