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RE: Web Tracking: Facts on the Ground

From: Mike Zaneis <mike@iab.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:43:07 +0000
To: Jonathan Mayer <jmayer@stanford.edu>, "public-tracking@w3.org Group WG" <public-tracking@w3.org>
Message-ID: <9FF2724793CE3843BF5E46A70AA609A51555DBC6@IAB-NYC-EX1.IAB.local>
1.       No one said popular sites are currently blocking users who use ad blocking tools (why would they, blocking is still a pretty benign practice).  You used my example to try and refute the original statement, but the fact remains the same, some publishers have blocked users.  And no, Ars Technica did not reverse course due to consumer backlash, it was a planned, limited experiment, as my original link fully explained.  You are free to your own opinion but not your own facts.


As a side note, I think we can all agree that a scenario where the blocking of consumers is prevalent would be a disaster for all parties.  I've called this the doomsday scenario for consumers, publishers, and marketers alike and explained that the industry wants to avoid this scenario -  http://news.cnet.com/Web-ad-blocking-may-not-be-entirely-legal/2100-1030_3-6207936.html.  And for good measure this article identifies another publisher who blocks users of Mozilla because of ad blocking (I disagree with his approach, but never the less, it reinforces my original statement).


2.      Similar to some recent "studies" that have been released in this area, the IAB survey was not peer reviewed.  It is not statistically significant to a 95% certainty.  It might not even have qualified for submission as my Masters Quantitative Analysis Practicum.  But I did not represent it as any of these things.  It is a survey of the buy side.  We asked purchasers of online advertising what percentage of their ad spend would fall under the FTC's definition of third party OBA and this is the figure we compiled - >80%.  There is no need to create fictitious methodologies or figures.



3.      I think an extended philosophical legal debate is out of scope for this group, but it is worth noting that by your own legal interpretation Congress has repeatedly codified these rights and an attempt to undermine these Constitutional and legal rights would be a high bar to overcome indeed.

Mike Zaneis
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Interactive Advertising Bureau
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From: public-tracking-request@w3.org [mailto:public-tracking-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mayer
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:01 PM
To: public-tracking@w3.org Group WG
Subject: Web Tracking: Facts on the Ground

I completely agree that a shared understanding of web tracking practices is important for the working group's progress.  And an open dialogue about the facts on the ground will be invaluable for all stakeholders on these issues.  To that end, I've moved this discussion into its own thread.  I look forward to a productive discourse.

I offer my take on ad blocking responses, the market impact of behavioral advertising, and company rights below.

1.  "Some companies already block users from their sites who use ad blocking technologies because it fundamentally impairs
their ability to monetize their content."

I was agreeing with JC's comment that content owners already charge users for access to some content and services.  This statement is not in question as we are all aware of content sites like the Wall Street Journal that charge for access or pay-for premium services like those offered by Linked In.  I was also expanding this line of reasoning by pointing out that some sites have blocked users who use ad blocking technologies.  Here is one example - http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love.ars, but others have done so in a less public way.

I am not aware of any popular website that is currently prohibiting or degrading service for ad-block users.  To my knowledge Ars Technica was the only major website to experiment with such practices, and it quickly reversed course after facing a mob of angry users.  My colleague Arvind Narayanan wrote a year ago about the lessons we might infer about responses to Do Not Track from responses to ad blocking (http://33bits.org/2010/09/20/do-not-track-explained/, pasted below).  I agree with his views.

. . . from the site's perspective, ad blocking would result in a far greater decline in revenue than merely preventing behavioral ads. We should therefore expect that DNT will be at least as well tolerated by websites as ad blocking.

This is encouraging, since there are very few mainstream sites today that refuse to serve content to visitors with ad blocking enabled. Ad blocking is quite popular (indeed, the most popular extensions for both Firefox and Chrome are ad blockers). A few sites have experimented with tiering for ad-blocking users, but soon after rescinded due to user backlash. Public perception is a another factor that is likely to skew things even further in favor of DNT being well-tolerated: access to content in exchange for watching ads sounds like a much more palatable bargain than access in exchange for giving up privacy.

2.  "If we use a broad definition of tracking, similar to the FTC's definition, then we will be potentially impacting over 80% of the online ad market."

The IAB conducted a survey of the buy side of the online advertising industry (we canvassed the major ad agencies) and found that when we used the FTC's definition of OBA, over 80% of all advertising campaigns would fall under this definition.  We have published this survey in a number of venues over the years - http://www.iab.net/media/file/IAB_Comments_to_Congressman_Boucher%5C%27s_Draft_Privacy_Legislation.pdf (page4) - and as recently as last week when the DAA testified before the U.S. House of Representatives.

This 80% figure has been repeated by a number of advertising industry representatives.  I have not been able to locate the survey (Mike, I'd greatly appreciate a pointer).  Here are some of the descriptions I've seen.

-"However, an informal survey of agencies by the IAB suggests behavioral advertising is extremely widespread: up to 80% or more of campaigns conducted in 2009 involved some form of cookies or other tracking that could be so characterized. [Footnote: IAB interviews of advertising agency personnel regarding use of digital advertising targeting technologies.]" [http://www.iab.net/media/file/News_Media_Workshop_-_Comment_Project_No.P091200.pdf]

-"In an IAB survey of ad agencies conducted earlier this year, we found that 80% or more of digital advertising campaigns were touched by behavioral targeting in some way." [http://www.iab.net/public_policy/1296039]

-"According to an informal survey by the Interactive Advertising Bureau (IAB), more than 80 percent of advertising campaigns in 2009 involved tracking of some sort." [http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/11/04/behavior.tracking.mashable/index.html]

I believe the survey was intended to show that the vast majority of online advertising campaigns included at least one ad buy that set at least one cookie.  That certainly is plausible to me.  But, of course, that's far distant from behavioral targeting accounting for 80% of online advertising revenue, or Do Not Track negatively impacting 80% of online advertising revenue.

I wrote a blog post in January detailing why I believe Do Not Track would not have a significant negative impact on publishers' online advertising revenues (http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/node/6592).  I would encourage interested readers to take a look.  A few key points: a small minority (about 5%) of ad spend is behaviorally targeted, there are cross elasticities in online advertising demand, and there are good (admittedly not perfect) technology fixes available.

3.  "Publishers and content owners have every right, in fact have fundamental rights, to offer their goods and services as they see fit."

Content is copyrightable.  In the U.S. this right was so fundamental (sometimes called national rights) that it was written into our Constitution:
            Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution, known as the Copyright Clause, empowers the United             States Congress:

            " To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the             exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

Generally speaking, this right extends for the life of the author plus an additional 70 years.  To own a copyright means that the author owns a bundle of exclusive rights (see Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 106 of the U.S. Code) - http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000106----000-.html.  One of those rights is the right to decide how your work is distributed, which includes the right to exclude others from seeing or using your works, i.e. to offer access to your work under your own terms, including charging a fee or requiring viewers to allow advertising.  This is what I mean by fundamental rights of publishers and content owners.

I could discuss contractual rights and the fact that most websites have Terms of Service that reserve the right to offer their content and services to consumers on the site's own terms, but that is not necessary a fundamental right.  We could also have a discussion here about patent rights since many sites rely heavily on patents, but again, I think the copyright issue best illustrates the fundamental rights of publishers and content owners.

To be sure, federal and state laws provide a number of legal rights to businesses.  But they also impose a wide array of regulatory restrictions.  I certainly do not share the view that copyright is a "fundamental right."  The Constitution's Copyright Clause empowers Congress to pass copyright protections; it does not mandate such legislation.  The same holds true for patents.  As for website Terms of Service, they would be governed in almost all cases by state contract law - which regularly declines to enforce provisions on public policy grounds.

For our purposes, the ultimate legal question is whether there would be any constitutional infirmities in requiring the same service for Do Not Track users.  I do not see any.
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