- From: Sean Harvey <sharvey@google.com>
- Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:39:48 -0500
- To: David Wainberg <dwainberg@appnexus.com>
- Cc: Jeffrey Chester <jeff@democraticmedia.org>, JC Cannon <jccannon@microsoft.com>, John Simpson <john@consumerwatchdog.org>, "<public-tracking@w3.org> (public-tracking@w3.org)" <public-tracking@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAFy-vucOYV6DiBsQnz2t7VvCO4P3KbaYEhFbQVXfarXf-BS_vg@mail.gmail.com>
to my mind the first party should not be using any third party data for targeting in a DNT-on context, and I thought that was stated elsewhere in the email chain, though I can go back and check. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:26 PM, David Wainberg <dwainberg@appnexus.com>wrote: > This raises an interesting issue with how this is going to work. If the > user engaged DNT after the data was collected, we probably have consensus > that prior collected data should not be used. However, if the user had DNT > at the time the data was collected, but granted an exception to DNT, the > data is ok to be used. The problem is, how does the 1st party know the > difference? It will fall on the 3rd party to honor the user's choices, and > the 1st party will have to trust them. > > > > On 11/29/11 9:50 AM, Jeffrey Chester wrote: > > If a DNT system is to work, it must address how first party sites > incorporate third party data and also use ad exchanges. If a user has said > they do not want to be tracked via a third party data service, such as > eXelate, BlueKai or Experian (for example) then such user data should not > be automatically imported or used by the First party site. Sites > increasingly mix in-house data with third party targeting data. A user > should have reasonable control of this process under DNT. > > > > Jeffrey Chester > Center for Digital Democracy > 1621 Connecticut Ave, NW, Suite 550 > Washington, DC 20009 > www.democraticmedia.org > > On Nov 28, 2011, at 7:59 PM, JC Cannon wrote: > > John,**** > ** ** > I believe we are already in agreement that DNT will not apply to 1st party > sites. I understand the need to clarify that 3rd-party sharing will be > limited to certain exceptions, but I don’t want to revisit something we > have already agreed on.**** > ** ** > JC**** > Twitter <http://twitter.com/jccannon7>**** > ** ** > *From:* John Simpson [mailto:john@consumerwatchdog.org<john@consumerwatchdog.org> > ] > *Sent:* Monday, November 28, 2011 4:47 PM > *To:* <public-tracking@w3.org> (public-tracking@w3.org) > *Subject:* Issue-17, Issue-51 First party obligations**** > ** ** > Colleagues,**** > ** ** > I've been thinking a bit more about the idea of "1st Party" obligations > if we use the frame of a 1st Party and 3rd Party distinction. It seems > clear to me that there is consensus that the 1st Party must not share data > (some will say there are exceptions) with a 3rd party when DNT is enabled. > **** > ** ** > It does seem to me there are further obligations. When I go to a 1st > party site and interact with it, I assume it is using my information for > that transaction. If I**** > have DNT enabled, I don't have ANY expectation that it will continue to > use that information beyond that transaction. The site should ask me if it > can continue to store the information and use it beyond that specific visit > to the site.**** > ** ** > In other words from my perspective as a user, a 1st Party site should > treat me as if I had cleared all my cookies the next time I visit the site > if I have DNT enabled.**** > ** ** > When DNT is enabled, a 1st party should treat each session with a user > as an entirely new session unless it has been given permission to store his > information and use it again.**** > ** ** > 73s,**** > John**** > ----------**** > John M. Simpson**** > Consumer Advocate**** > Consumer Watchdog**** > 1750 Ocean Park Blvd. ,Suite 200**** > Santa Monica, CA,90405**** > Tel: 310-392-7041**** > Cell: 310-292-1902**** > www.ConsumerWatchdog.org**** > john@consumerwatchdog.org**** > ** ** > > > -- Sean Harvey Business Product Manager Google, Inc. 212-381-5330 sharvey@google.com
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