RE: Google pushing for a choice for publishers to opt-out ... in Australia

There was some interesting discussion in the room. I think that one person in particular was concerned about that. There were no people from Google (or Meta or AWS) who work on GAI, so they can’t have been expected to represent them. Nick Doty, from the Center for Democracy and Technology, and Max Gendler, from NewsCorp, made a lot of interesting points. I think Dan Brickley from Google, who runs schema.org was trying to stress that GAI isn’t the change; rather NLP is. We need to understand what’s going on and work with it.

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From: Laurent Le Meur <laurent@edrlab.org>
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Hi Leonard,

I don't think that there were minutes. The discussion was as wide as the topic. The Web people were more interested in the danger of AI solutions for the future of websites (becoming a pure source of information for AI frontends).

Best regards
Laurent


Le 14 sept. 2023 à 14:26, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com<mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>> a écrit :

@Laurent Le Meur<mailto:laurent@edrlab.org> – do you know if there are minutes from that breakout?   If so, can you share?

Leonard

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Interesting read:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/09/google-says-ai-systems-should-be-able-to-mine-publishers-work-unless-companies-opt-out<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/09/google-says-ai-systems-should-be-able-to-mine-publishers-work-unless-companies-opt-out__;!!N11eV2iwtfs!vA5_qHaqTq_8w22Ad9cYlF0XwoqKOgBavmQKhW8eKU4LnN5dyEuVtdQMLTf2BRulxUsOMMQMcgFecJU$>

But still no move from Google after this blog post: https://blog.google/technology/ai/ai-web-publisher-controls-sign-up/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/blog.google/technology/ai/ai-web-publisher-controls-sign-up/__;!!N11eV2iwtfs!vA5_qHaqTq_8w22Ad9cYlF0XwoqKOgBavmQKhW8eKU4LnN5dyEuVtdQMLTf2BRulxUsOMMQMu0KaZfA$>

At the W3C TPAC, yesterday, I tried to push the discussion during a breakout session on the impact of generative AI on the Web.
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3 people from Google in the room; two young developers (unknown service) and Dan Brickley (Google / DataCommons). They didn't seem interested by copyright issues, more by the future of the Web at large vs AI.

Best regards
Laurent

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