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Re: [TalentSignal] Re: U.S. Chamber of Commerce Foundation Job Data Exchange

From: Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 11:24:38 +0100
To: public-talent-signal@w3.org
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Thank you Merrilea.

Everyone: any other comments or thoughts on how this 
<https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Comparison_of_JDX_JobSchema%2B_with_schema.org> 
might shape our work?

My thinking at the moment is that:

- Suggesting a property for the "number of positions open for this job 
posting" seems useful and should be another quick win.

- There are requirements of several types: citizenship, physical, 
security, sensory. Might an approach of having a single jobRequirement 
property cover all of these adequately, or do they need to be 
distinguished from each other?

- How important is Assessment to us? From the domain sketch it looks 
like a missing piece, and I know that is is considered to be a missing 
piece from the learning, education and training point of view as well. I 
would suggest that a class could be added with just a few properties 
that would be a start on filling this gap.

Those would be my priorities.

Several of the other issues 
<https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Issues,_use_cases_and_requirements> 
seem a bit more complex, for example, those that affect vocabularies 
that are used in Google job search have potential to break things.

Any thoughts on these priorities?

Phil


On 13/08/2019 21:37, Merrilea Mayo wrote:
>
> The comparison is super helpful. Nice to have this in one place and 
> so easy to read.
>
> Merrilea
>
> On 8/13/2019 1:32 PM, Phil Barker wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have looked through the column comparing JDX JobSchema+ with what 
>> is in schema.org and refactored it slightly leading on what is and is 
>> not in schema.org, see Comparison of JDX JobSchema+ with schema.org 
>> <https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Comparison_of_JDX_JobSchema%2B_with_schema.org> 
>> [1] on the Talent Signal wiki.
>>
>> I have also added relevant items to our list of issues to be 
>> considered 
>> <https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Issues,_use_cases_and_requirements> 
>> [2].
>>
>> All comments welcome, either feedback on JDX JobSchema+ or thoughts 
>> on the issues raised.
>>
>> Regards, Phil.
>>
>> 1. 
>> https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Comparison_of_JDX_JobSchema%2B_with_schema.org
>> 2. 
>> https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Issues,_use_cases_and_requirements 
>>
>>
>> On 25/07/2019 15:50, Phil Barker wrote:
>>>
>>> Joshua, thank you very much for sharing this with the group.
>>>
>>> I know the amount of work that is going in to the JDX project [1] 
>>> and recognize that this represents a significant application of 
>>> schema.org (expanded through reference to HR Open and analysis of 
>>> use cases) for signaling information about hiring requirements.
>>>
>>> I would like to direct people's attention to the column in the main 
>>> table headed "comparison to schema.org". I propose that *this 
>>> information should factor highly in our prioritization of what 
>>> specific issues this group addresses***as it represents strong 
>>> feedback on where the existing terms in schema.org needed to be 
>>> refined or supplemented in order to meet talent signaling use cases. 
>>> This is not to say that I think we should just copy every change 
>>> indicated by this column, there will be some which are specific to 
>>> the JDX and out of scope for schema.org, and there may be cases 
>>> where input from this community improves on what JDX have done so far.
>>>
>>> If the group agrees, I will edit our existing list of issues and use 
>>> case requirements [2 
>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Issues,_use_cases_and_requirements>] 
>>> to include the information from that column.
>>>
>>> So that this document and other relevant work from elsewhere doesn't 
>>> get buried in our email archive, I have added a page to the wiki on 
>>> existing and current relevant work [3 
>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Existing_and_current_relevant_work>] 
>>> with a link.
>>>
>>> Best regards from a warm and sunny Scotland.
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I'll remind you all here of my disclosure that I am receiving 
>>> funding from the US CCF for my work on this group and am also a 
>>> member of the JDX Data Working Group.
>>>
>>> 2. 
>>> https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Issues,_use_cases_and_requirements
>>>
>>> 3. 
>>> https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Existing_and_current_relevant_work
>>>
>>> On 24/07/2019 19:57, Westfall, Joshua wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Talent Marketplace Signaling Group,
>>>>
>>>> The U.S. Chamber of Commerce Foundation has enjoyed being a part of 
>>>> this community group and the great discussion around the JobPosting 
>>>> Schema. Therefore, in partnership with HR Open Standards, members 
>>>> of our Job Data Exchange (JDX) Advisory Committee 
>>>> <https://www.uschamberfoundation.org/jdx/advisory-board>, and ideas 
>>>> generated from this group we drafted a few property extensions and 
>>>> definitions to build off of the current JobPosting Schema (see the 
>>>> comparison column to the far right of the chart). We plan to pilot 
>>>> test these ideas that we are calling the JDX JobSchema+ with 17 
>>>> employer partners 
>>>> <https://www.uschamberfoundation.org/jdx/pilot-partners> over the 
>>>> next two months. The pilot test will conclude in October with an 
>>>> independent evaluation of the JDX JobSchema+ from both the 
>>>> demand-side (i.e., employers) and supply-side (i.e., education, 
>>>> training and credentialing providers, students and workers) of the 
>>>> talent pipeline.
>>>>
>>>> We look forward to sharing our findings with the TMS Community 
>>>> Group later this year. In the meantime, the JDX JobSchema+ proposal 
>>>> (attached) is open for public feedback on our JDX webpage 
>>>> <https://www.uschamberfoundation.org/jdx/job-schema> and depending 
>>>> on our findings and this groups feedback, maybe a few of these 
>>>> properties can be considered for Schema.org.
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to hearing from you and please let me know if you 
>>>> have any questions or would like to discuss JDX pilot of the JDX 
>>>> JobSchema+ in more detail.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> *Joshua Westfall*
>>>>
>>>> Senior Manager, Policy & Programs
>>>>
>>>> U.S. Chamber of Commerce Foundation
>>>>
>>>> Center for Education and Workforce
>>>>
>>>> *O:*202.463.5843
>>>>
>>>> *C:*202.845.3820
>>>>
>>>> usccf-education-workforce web logo 
>>>> <http://www.uschamberfoundation.org/center-education-and-workforce>
>>>>
>>>> uschamberfoundation.org/CEW 
>>>> <http://www.uschamberfoundation.org/center-education-and-workforce>
>>>>
>>>> http://image.exct.net/lib/fef01278736102/m/1/USCCFB.gif 
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/USCCFeducation>http://image.exct.net/lib/fef01278736102/m/1/USCCTwitter.gif 
>>>> <https://twitter.com/usccfeducation>linkedin 
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/u-s-chamber-of-commerce-foundation>
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
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>>>
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>>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
>> CETIS LLP <https://www.cetis.org.uk>: a cooperative consultancy for 
>> innovation in education technology.
>> PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance 
>> learning; information systems for education.
>>
>> CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered in 
>> England number OC399090
>> PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited company, 
>> number SC569282.
>>
> -- 
>
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Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
CETIS LLP <https://www.cetis.org.uk>: a cooperative consultancy for 
innovation in education technology.
PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance learning; 
information systems for education.

CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered in 
England number OC399090
PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited company, 
number SC569282.
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