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RE: [TalentSignal] Re: U.S. Chamber of Commerce Foundation Job Data Exchange

From: Westfall, Joshua <JWestfall@USChamber.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:51:55 +0000
To: 'Phil Barker' <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>, "public-talent-signal@w3.org" <public-talent-signal@w3.org>
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Thank you for continuing this important discussion Phil.  I agree that "number of positions open for this job posting" is an important property to add and should be a quick win. As to your second point I believe some of the suggested requirement properties could be grouped together such as sensory and physical requirements. However, citizenship and security clearance requirements should be distinguished from the others, especially as those suggested properties affect use cases #2 (job seeker discovery) and #3 (job seeker gaps).

Best,

Joshua Westfall
Senior Manager, Policy & Programs
U.S. Chamber of Commerce Foundation
Center for Education and Workforce

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C: 202.845.3820

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From: Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 6:25 AM
To: public-talent-signal@w3.org
Subject: Re: [TalentSignal] Re: U.S. Chamber of Commerce Foundation Job Data Exchange


Thank you Merrilea.

Everyone: any other comments or thoughts on how this<https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Comparison_of_JDX_JobSchema%2B_with_schema.org> might shape our work?

My thinking at the moment is that:

- Suggesting a property for the "number of positions open for this job posting" seems useful and should be another quick win.

- There are requirements of several types: citizenship, physical, security, sensory. Might an approach of having a single jobRequirement property cover all of these adequately, or do they need to be distinguished from each other?

- How important is Assessment to us? From the domain sketch it looks like a missing piece, and I know that is is considered to be a missing piece from the learning, education and training point of view as well. I would suggest that a class could be added with just a few properties that would be a start on filling this gap.

Those would be my priorities.

Several of the other issues<https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Issues,_use_cases_and_requirements> seem a bit more complex, for example, those that affect vocabularies that are used in Google job search have potential to break things.

Any thoughts on these priorities?

Phil


On 13/08/2019 21:37, Merrilea Mayo wrote:

The comparison is super helpful.  Nice to have this in one place and so easy to read.

Merrilea
On 8/13/2019 1:32 PM, Phil Barker wrote:

Hello all,

I have looked through the column comparing JDX JobSchema+ with what is in schema.org and refactored it slightly leading on what is and is not in schema.org, see Comparison of JDX JobSchema+ with schema.org<https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Comparison_of_JDX_JobSchema%2B_with_schema.org> [1] on the Talent Signal wiki.

I have also added relevant items to our list of issues to be considered<https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Issues,_use_cases_and_requirements> [2].

All comments welcome, either feedback on JDX JobSchema+ or thoughts on the issues raised.
Regards, Phil.

1. https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Comparison_of_JDX_JobSchema%2B_with_schema.org
2. https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Issues,_use_cases_and_requirements

On 25/07/2019 15:50, Phil Barker wrote:

Joshua, thank you very much for sharing this with the group.

I know the amount of work that is going in to the JDX project [1] and recognize that this represents a significant application of schema.org (expanded through reference to HR Open and analysis of use cases) for signaling information about hiring requirements.

I would like to direct people's attention to the column in the main table headed "comparison to schema.org". I propose that this information should factor highly in our prioritization of what specific issues this group addresses as it represents strong feedback on where the existing terms in schema.org needed to be refined or supplemented in order to meet talent signaling use cases. This is not to say that I think we should just copy every change indicated by this column, there will be some which are specific to the JDX and out of scope for schema.org, and there may be cases where input from this community improves on what JDX have done so far.

If the group agrees, I will edit our existing list of issues and use case requirements [2<https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Issues,_use_cases_and_requirements>] to include the information from that column.

So that this document and other relevant work from elsewhere doesn't get buried in our email archive, I have added a page to the wiki on existing and current relevant work [3<https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Existing_and_current_relevant_work>] with a link.

Best regards from a warm and sunny Scotland.

Phil



1. I'll remind you all here of my disclosure that I am receiving funding from the US CCF for my work on this group and am also a member of the JDX Data Working Group.

2. https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Issues,_use_cases_and_requirements

3. https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Existing_and_current_relevant_work
On 24/07/2019 19:57, Westfall, Joshua wrote:
Hi Talent Marketplace Signaling Group,

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce Foundation has enjoyed being a part of this community group and the great discussion around the JobPosting Schema. Therefore, in partnership with HR Open Standards, members of our Job Data Exchange (JDX) Advisory Committee<https://www.uschamberfoundation.org/jdx/advisory-board>, and ideas generated from this group we drafted a few property extensions and definitions to build off of the current JobPosting Schema (see the comparison column to the far right of the chart). We plan to pilot test these ideas that we are calling the "JDX JobSchema+" with 17 employer partners<https://www.uschamberfoundation.org/jdx/pilot-partners> over the next two months. The pilot test will conclude in October with an independent evaluation of the JDX JobSchema+ from both the demand-side (i.e., employers) and supply-side (i.e., education, training and credentialing providers, students and workers) of the talent pipeline.

We look forward to sharing our findings with the TMS Community Group later this year. In the meantime, the JDX JobSchema+ proposal (attached) is open for public feedback on our JDX webpage<https://www.uschamberfoundation.org/jdx/job-schema> and depending on our findings and this group's feedback, maybe a few of these properties can be considered for Schema.org.

I look forward to hearing from you and please let me know if you have any questions or would like to discuss JDX pilot of the JDX JobSchema+ in more detail.

Best,

Joshua Westfall
Senior Manager, Policy & Programs
U.S. Chamber of Commerce Foundation
Center for Education and Workforce

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