- From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:45:17 -0400
- To: www-tag@w3.org
- Cc: public-tag-announce@w3.org
During its teleconference of 23 July 2009, the TAG voted to approve [1]
the minutes of our F2F meeting of 23-25 June 2009. As has been our
recent custom, the minutes are cross referenced from an updated copy of
the meeting agenda, which is available at [2], and in text form below.
The actual minutes are in three separate Web documents [3-5]. For the
convenience of those who require text for use with assistive technologies,
and as an aid to finding them in the TAG's email archives, text-only
versions of these will be sent in separate emails momentarily. Note that,
for most users, the links in [2] will be the most effective way to find
things.
Noah
[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/07/23-minutes#item02
[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-agenda
[3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-minutes
[4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/24-minutes
[5] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/25-minutes
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Noah Mendelsohn
IBM Corporation
One Rogers Street
Cambridge, MA 02142
1-617-693-4036
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[1]W3C | [2]TAG | Previous teleconference: [3]11 June 2009 | Next
teleconference: 16th July 2009 (tentative).
[1] http://www.w3.org/
[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/
[3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/11-minutes
TAG face-to-face meeting, 23-25 June 2009 — MIT Stata Center,
Cambridge, MA, USA
[4]Picture of the TAG
[4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/TagStataPictureHiRes.jpg
Noah Mendelsohn, Jonathan Rees, Tim Berners-Lee, Dan Connolly, Henry
Thompson, Larry Masinter, Ashok Malhotra, John Kemp
Nearby: [5]issues list - [6]findings - [7]www-tag archive - [8]tag
archive - Actions: ([9]open, [10]pending review)
[5] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues
[6] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings
[7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/
[8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/
[9] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/open
[10] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview
Regrets: T.V. Raman will be participating by phone from the West
Coast, and will be available only for afternoon sessions.
Agenda Summary
Tues 23rd June
Agenda Minutes
08:00-9:00 Arrive & Set up
The meeting room will be available. Please have your computers and
network connections set up for a prompt start at 9AM.
1. [11]Convene & Administration
2. [12]W3C Work on APIs
3. [13]Language Versioning and HTML
4. [14]Web Application State Management
5. [15]Javascript Security
[11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-minutes.html#item01
[12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-minutes.html#item02
[13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-minutes.html#item03
[14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-minutes.html#item04
[15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-minutes.html#item05
09:00-9:15 [16]Convene
Appoint Scribes, Review F2F Logistics, etc
09:15-9:30 [17]Review F2F Goals and Agenda
9:30-10:30 [18]W3C work on Web APIs
10:30-10:45 Break (15 mins)
10:45-12:00 [19]Language Versioning and HTML (session 1 of 2)
12:00-13:15 Lunch - with W3C & DIG staff (W3C open area - 5th Floor
Gates Tower - 75 mins)
13:15-14:45 [20]Web Application State Management (session 1 of 2)
14:45-15:00 Break (15 mins)
15:00-16:30 [21]JavaScript Security
16:30-17:00 [22]TAG Administration: future meetings, etc.
Weds 24th June
Agenda Minutes
09:00-10:15 [23]The Mobile Web
1. [24]Mobile Web
2. [25]Metadata Access and Formats
3. [26]Versioning and HTML
4. [27]Web Arch for Applications
5. [28]tag administration issues
[24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/24-minutes.html#item01
[25] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/24-minutes.html#item02
[26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/24-minutes.html#item03
[27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/24-minutes.html#item04
[28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/24-minutes.html#item05
10:15-10:45 Break (30 mins)
10:45-12:00 [29]Metadata access and formats
12:00-13:15 Lunch (75 mins)
13:15-14:00 [30]Language Versioning and HTML (session 2 of 2)
14:00-15:15 [31]Web Architecture for Applications
15:15-15:45 Break & picture? (30 mins)
16:15-17:00 [32]TAG Administration: future meetings, etc.
Thurs 25th June
Agenda Minutes
09:00-10:30 [33]Naming Schemes
1. [34]Naming Schemes
2. [35]HTTP Semantics
3. [36]TAG f2f scheduling
4. [37]Tag priorities and future work
5. [38]Architecture for Web Applications
6. [39]HTML 5 review
[34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/25-minutes.html#item01
[35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/25-minutes.html#item02
[36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/25-minutes.html#item03
[37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/25-minutes.html#item04
[38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/25-minutes.html#item05
[39] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/25-minutes.html#item06
10:30-10:45 Break (15 mins)
10:45-12:00 [40]HTTP Semantics
12:00-13:30 Lunch (90 mins)
13:30-15:00 [41]TAG Priorities
16:00-17:00 ...those who are not traveling may wish to stay for
informal discussion...
Unscheduled topics
There are some other topics we may decide to discuss in the free
time slots. Suggested discussion goals and preparation materials are
available in the section linked below.
[42]Unscheduled topics
Note that preparation is also encouraged for some items for which
[43]fixed time slots have not been allocated. We may or may not
decide to discuss some or all of these, presumably in the sessions
not yet scheduled.
Logistics
(there is also a separate [44]logistics page)
[44]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/06-f2f-local-arrangements.html
Venue
MIT, Stata Center
32 Vassar Street
Cambidge, MA 02139
Schedule:
Tue 23 June: 09:00 - 17:00
Wed 24 June: 09:00 - 17:00
Thurs 25 June: 09:00 - 16:00
Agenda Details
1. Convene
Goals:
+ Appoint scribes
+ Review F2F logistics
+ Approve minutes of telconferences
o [45]11 June 2008
2. Review F2F Goals and Agenda
Session shepherd:
Noah Mendelsohn
Session goals:
+ Review F2F Goals
o Establish more clearly TAG priorities for coming year
o Set goals and decide next steps for [46]ISSUE-60
(WebApplicationState-60) and for working draft
[47]Usage Patterns For Client-Side URI parameters
o Decide whether further TAG work on extensibility and
versioning will be cost effective, and in particular
whether it will likely have positive impact on the
development of HTML 5.
o Decide whether the TAG should be working more actively
in areas relating to use of the Web with "mobile"
devices.
o Decide whether the TAG should begin consideration of
architectural issues relating to W3C standardization
of APIs used for Web Application development.
o Make progress on other open TAG issues (e.g. metadata,
use of URI schemes, security, etc.)
+ Review F2F Agenda ([48]this document)
Preparation:
+ [49]Whiteboard summary of proposed TAG priorities from
March 2009 TAG F2F.
+ [50]TAG F2F Priorities email from Noah
3. W3C Work on Web APIs
Session shepherds:
Ashok Malhotra, John Kemp
Background:
Traditionally, most of the W3C's Recommendations have focused on
data formats such as HTML, identification mechanisms such as
URI's, etc. With the rise of AJAX, JavaScript and similar APIs
have become an increasingly important aspect of content and
application development for the Web, and W3C is considering at
least one [51]proposal to charter work on the standardization of
such APIs.
The TAG has also had some informal discussionts (see thread
starting with [52]email from Thomas Roessler) of Geolocation
APIs and the Geopriv work.
Session goals:
+ Discuss technical and architectural issues relating to Web
APIs.
+ Decide:
o Whether there are technical issues relating to APIs
that merit ongoing consideration by the TAG
o Decide whether the TAG should play a role in helping
the W3C to decide whether to undertake work in this
area, and/or how to structure charters for such work
o Consider privacy and security issues relating to
Javascript APIs that give access to the user's
location.
Preparation:
+ [53]W3C and APIs from Larry Masinter and Ashok Malhotra
([54]announcement email)
+ Email [55]geolocation update from Thomas Roessler.
+ (optional - late addition) [56]Proposed HTML 5 2D graphics
context for use with the [57]canvas element
4. Language Versioning and HTML
Session shepherds:
Jonathan Rees, Larry Masinter
Background:
The TAG has for years studied the means used to evolve document
and programming languages, and techniques for maximizing
interoperability as languages evolve. We have also considered
the structure and evolution of HTML in particular, including the
tradeoffs between "tag soup" and XHTML views of robustness and
error handling. This session is scheduled because some TAG
members have recently proposed that we may be able to apply our
analyses of language versioning to HTML in particular.
TAG Issues relating to this discussion:
+ [58]ISSUE-20 (errorHandling-20) What should specifications
say about error handling? — shepherd: Henry Thompson
+ [59]ISSUE-33 (mixedUIXMLNamespace-33) Composability for
user interface-oriented XML namespaces — no shepherd
+ [60]ISSUE-41 (LanguageVersioning-41) What are good
practices for designing extensible languages and for
handling versioning? — shepherd: Larry Masinter
+ [61]ISSUE-54 (TagSoupIntegration-54) Tag soup integration
— shepherd: Henry Thompson
Session goals (both sessions):
+ Decide whether further work on versioning by the TAG is
likely to have a constructive effect on HTML in particular
+ Consider, as a framework, the [62]draft prepared by Larry
Masinter and Jonathan Rees
+ Decide which issue(s) we will use to track this work, and
ensure that shepherds have been identified.
Preparation:
+ [63]Architectural Considerations for Language Versioning
for the Web (Note from Larry Masinter and Jonathan Rees)
5. [64]ISSUE-60: Web Application State Management
Session shepherd:
T.V. Raman
Background:
+ The TAG has recently issued a First Public Working Draft
titled [65]Usage Patterns For Client-Side URI parameters
Session goals:
+ Make plans for further work on Client Side URI parameters
+ Plan next draft of [66]Usage Patterns For Client-Side URI
parameters
Preparation:
+ First Public Working Draft of [67]Usage Patterns For
Client-Side URI parameters
6. JavaScript Security
Session shepherd:
Jonathan Rees
Background:
+ The TAG recently [68]discussed JavaScript technologies such
as [69]Caja, which apply capability-based sandboxing
techniques to JavaScript. The goal is to support the "safe"
execution of untrusted JavaScript code in a Web page.
+ The chair does not believe that we currently have an open
issue that would provide for continued work in this area.
+ [70]ACTION-274: See if I can reconstruct a discussion with
tlr where present course and speed will lead to GET-based
links becoming regarded as unsafe - on Dan Connolly. This
is marked PENDING REVIEW, and it appears that no followup
on unsafe GET is planned.
Session goals:
+ Clarify significant use cases for safe execution of
untrusted code in Web pages (I.e. remind ourselves why we
care).
+ Further educate the TAG regarding technical work and
standardization efforts relating to safe execution of
untrusted code in Web pages.
+ Decide whether the TAG has a continued interest in working
in this area, and if so, with what goals.
+ Open an issue and assign a shepherd, if appropriate.
Preparation:
+ [71]Resource protection (Jonathan's F2F preparation notes)
+ Paragraph on "Chattiness" in [72]Mark Nottingham's review
of CORS
+ [73]Origin isn't (Tyler Close blog post)
+ [74]Re: The HTTP Origin Header (draft-abarth-origin) (Roy
Fielding email)
+ (optional, longish) [75]ACLs don't (paper by Tyler Close)
+ (optional, long) [76]Cross-origin resource sharing W3C
working draft
7. Mobile Web
Session shepherd:
John Kemp
Background:
+ John Kemp has offered to give us an overview of important
issue relating to the Mobile Web, based on his 10 years of
experience working in that area.
Goals:
+ Get better informed about the Mobile Web, related
architectural challenges
+ Decide whether the TAG wants to undertake work relating
specifically to the Mobile Web. If so, open issues, assign
shepherds, and agree on next steps as appropriate.
Preparation:
+ [77]Mobile Phones, the good, the bad and the ugly
8. Metadata Access and Formats
Session shepherds:
Ashok Malhotra (metadata access), Jonathan Rees (metadata
formats and ontologies)
TAG Issues relating to this discussion:
+ [78]ISSUE-57 (HttpRedirections-57) The use of HTTP
Redirection — shepherd: Jonathan Rees
+ [79]ISSUE-62 (UniformAccessToMetadata-62) — shepherd: Ashok
Malhotra (this issue was "split" from issue-57 at the
[80]March 2009 TAG F2F meeting.)
+ [81]ISSUE-63 (MetadataFramework-63) Metadata on the web:
representations and ontologies? — shepherd: Larry Masinter
([82]ACTION-254 calls for Larry to announce creation of
this issue on www-tag.)
+ [83]ISSUE-54 (TagSoupIntegration-54) Tag soup integration
— shepherd: Henry Thompson
Background:
+ As noted above, we discussed metadata access and formats at
the [84]March 2009 TAG F2F meeting, and we now have 3
issues open, but it's not clear that we are making good
progress.
+ Some TAG members have informed the chair that this area is
of interest to them.
Goals:
+ Take stock of where we are on all of the above, and see
what if anything we actually want to do.
Preparation (Metadata access):
+ [85]Jonathan Rees e-mail discussing LRDD
It has been [86]suggested (member-only) that the TAG review but
not not necessarily take any action on the following drafts:
+ [87]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hammer-discovery-03
+ [88]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-site-meta-0
1
+ [89]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-http-link-h
eader-05
Preparation (Metadata formats):
+ [90]Email from Ashok (member only) outlining perceived
interests and concerns of various TAG members. [91]Response
from Raman. (The chair suggests that copies of this
correspondence be moved to the TAG's public www-tag@w3.org
archive.)
9. Naming Schemes
Session shepherd:
Henry Thompson
TAG Issues relating to this discussion:
+ [92]ISSUE-50 (URNsAndRegistries-50): URIs, URNs, "location
independent" naming systems and associated registries for
naming on the Web - shepherd: Henry Thompson
+ May also be related to [93]ISSUE-49 (schemeProtocols-49):
Relationship of URI schemes to protocols and operations -
no shepherd assigned
Goals:
+ Make sure we are agreed on target audience, success
criteria, etc. for this work.
+ Review the new Dirk and Nadia draft
+ Consider whether this work should be better coordinated
with, e.g., [94]ISSUE-49.
+ Decide on next steps.
Preparation:
+ June 2009 draft of [95]Dirk and Nadia design a naming
scheme (the new draft is promised within the next few days
— this agenda will be updated with a pointer to the new
copy when available)
+ [96]John Kemp email (member-only) pointing to [97]Widget
URIs Editor's Draft
+ (optional) [98]Widgets 1.0: URI Scheme W3C First Public
Working Draft 18 June 2009
10. HTTP Semantics (AWWSW)
Session shepherd:
Jonathan Rees
Background:
+ Jonathan Rees has been participating in the regular
teleconferences of a group attempting to more formally
relate HTTP to RDF ([99]email archives). This work was
started, at least informally, under the auspices of the
TAG.
+ Recently, discussions have focused on (a) clarifying and
relating conflicting notions of "information resource" and
(b) considering what HTTP interactions say about resources
independent of httpRange-14. Some questions have arisen,
and the TAG's input may be helpful in resolving them.
Goals:
+ Send agreed TAG comments on [100]the HTTPbis section on 303
responses (see [101]email from Henry suggesting we do
this).
+ Hear a [102]summary from Jonathan of progress that's been
made, and questions that have arisen.
+ Provide guidance on use cases and goals of an HTTP
ontology.
+ Review the nature of the TAG's relationship to AWWSW, and
adjust it if needed.
+ Review [103]Jonathan's review of HTTPbis's treatment of
GET+303.
+ Determine next steps for [104]ISSUE-57.
Preparation:
+ [105]AWWSW status report
+ [106]Summary of current state of HttpRedirections-57
+ [107]Comments on proposed GET+303 text in HTTPbis
11. TAG Priorities
Session shepherd:
Noah Mendelsohn
Background:
+ Discussion of TAG priorities at the [108]March 2009 TAG F2F
(see minutes of all days, as there were several sessions,
and also several lists of potential work areas.)
+ [109]Summary of potential priority work areas gathered on
flip charts at the end of the March F2F
+ Emails from the chair:
o [110]summary of materials relating to TAG priorities
o [111]request that the next round of discussions of
goals and priorities be done using email
([112]response from Tim).
12. Web Architecture for Applications
Background:
At the F2F session on June 23, 2009, the TAG decided to consider
the possibility of a significant enhancement to the Web
Architecture document, to focus on the Web as an application
platform. This might be in the form of revisions to the existing
Web arch document and/or become a second volume.
A rough outline of a table of contents has been written on a
white board:
+ Declarative vs. procedural
+ APIs
+ Modules and dependencies
+ Security - trust boundaries
+ Privacy (including cross-site issues)
+ Client-side URIs
13. TAG Administration
Goals:
+ Discuss summer telconference schedule
+ Discuss dates for future F2F meetings
+ Consider TAG plans for particiation in the [113]November
W3C Technical Plenary and AC Meeting (TPAC)
+ Discuss summer teleconference scheduling
Background:
+ [114]Tabulation of TAG member responses on summer
availability (member-only).
14. Unscheduled items
No specific discussion time is allocated to the following, but
we may choose to discuss these in some of the free time slots.
+ ACTION-265 Work with Larry, Henry to frame technical issues
relating to the vairous overlapping specs. about URIs, IRIs
and encoding on the wire - on Dan Connolly - Due 19 June
2009
+ ACTION-264 Draft agenda item for upcoming telcon discussion
of geolocation and privacy - on Ashok Malhotra - Due 3 June
2009
+ Sniffing - see actions 257 (Noah) & 264 (Larry)
[45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/11-tagmem-minutes.html
[46] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/60
[47] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-hash-in-uri-20090415/
[48] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/
[49] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/03/05-whiteboard-priorities.txt
[50] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2009May/0081.html
[51]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2009May/0000.html
[52] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0053.html
[53]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/att-0085/W3C_and_APIs.htm
[54] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0085.html
[55] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0053.html
[56] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-2d-context
[57] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-canvas-element
[58] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/20
[59] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/33
[60] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/20
[61] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/20
[62]
http://w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-html/versioning-html-20090611.html
[63]
http://w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-html/versioning-html-20090611.html
[64] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/60
[65] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-hash-in-uri-20090415/
[66] http://www.w3.org/TR/hash-in-uri/
[67] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-hash-in-uri-20090415/
[68] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/05/28-minutes.html#item06
[69] http://code.google.com/p/google-caja/
[70] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/274
[71] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/resource-protection/20090615
[72]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0643.html
[73] http://waterken.sourceforge.net/recent.html#id12
[74]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2009JanMar/0037.html
[75] http://waterken.sourceforge.net/aclsdont/current.pdf
[76] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-cors-20090317/
[77] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mobile-web-2009-06-18.html
[78] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/57
[79] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/62
[80] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-agenda.html
[81] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/20
[82] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/254
[83] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/20
[84] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-agenda.html
[85] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0060.html
[86] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/23-agenda.html
[87] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hammer-discovery-03
[88] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-site-meta-01
[89] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-05
[90] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2009Jun/0043.html
[91] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2009Jun/0044.html
[92] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/50
[93] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/49
[94] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/49
[95] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/namingSchemes.html
[96] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2009Jun/0030.html
[97] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-uri/
[98] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-widgets-uri-20090618/
[99] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/
[100]
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p2-semantics-06#page-24
[101] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2009Jun/0035.html
[102]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2009Jun/0064.html
[103] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0056.html
[104] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/57
[105]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2009Jun/0064.html
[106] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0057.html
[107] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0056.html
[108] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/03/03-agenda.html
[109] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/03/05-whiteboard-priorities.txt
[110] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Mar/0138.html
[111] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Mar/0139.html
[112] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Apr/0029.html
[113] http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html
[114] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/06/summersched.html
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