Re: transitions to Working Group'

Like Paola, I don't see the group mature enough to transition to a WG.
As a WG we need to deliver something and before that we should agree what
we want to deliver and who is going to contribute.

Roberto García
Associate Professor
Universitat de Lleida
Jaume II, 69
25001 Lleida, Spain
Tel. +34 973 702 742
http://rhizomik.net/~roberto


On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>wrote:

> Milton
> the reason why I am hesitant to consider the transition now, is because
> although we have managed to rustle up a good portfolio of  related
> activites from individual members, there has been no joint activity nor
> discussions
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> A WG needs to commit to deliver or it fails
>
> Imho, if at least 5 people make some commitment to deliver work, the group
> can make transition otherwise better stay informal
>
> Have revised the form to include statement of commitment from members,
> *http://tinyurl.com/mnr3fqe <http://tinyurl.com/mnr3fqe>*
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>  if something crops up, we ll resubmit the form
>
> Found these guidelines for WG, hope they still hold
> http://www.w3.org/2003/06/Process-20030618/groups.html
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> Thanks
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> PDM
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> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 9:07 PM, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Correct me if I am wrong. There are three categories of issues to
>> consider when transitioning from Community group to Work Group.
>>
>> (1) Mission, objectives and program outline, including projects and tasks
>> (2) Governance and procedures (3) Contributions made by members
>>
>> The problem lies in (1) and (3), of which (1) is the most critical. If we
>> cannot resolve (1) before May 5 next we must not transition.
>>
>> The form seems fine to me.
>>
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>>
>> Milton Ponson
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>>    On Monday, April 21, 2014 7:18 AM, Paola Di Maio <
>> paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
>>   Sure Milton-
>>
>> Do I gather that you think we are ready?
>>
>> is there something we should expect to happen before May 1st?
>>
>> I just checked the dashboard for a polling facility
>> but could not find it
>>
>> is this form OK?
>> *http://tinyurl.com/mnr3fqe <http://tinyurl.com/mnr3fqe>*
>>
>> PDM
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:16 PM, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
>> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Can we take unitl like May 1, 2014 to try to finalize a transition? If by
>> May 1 next we do not all feel comfortable about this we can do a poll and
>> take a consensus based decision.
>>
>> regards
>>
>>
>> Milton Ponson
>> GSM: +297 747 8280
>> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
>> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
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>>    On Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:02 AM, Paola Di Maio <
>> paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
>>   Greetings SWISIG members
>>
>> Yesterday I filled out a form to W3C  more or less saying we are not
>> ready yet to transition to WG, (I reply quickly sometimes not to forget)
>>
>>  Only after hitting the send button
>> it occurred to me I should have consulted with co-chair and group members
>>
>> We can change our response til 10 May, so if enough ppl think
>> we should transition this year, please stepfforward and
>> state your commitment to make things happen, and we'll resubmit
>>
>> Otherwise, let's see if plans mature in their own time
>>
>> Thanks, happy Spring Holidays to all
>>
>> PDM
>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Paola Di Maio via WBS Mailer* <webmaster@w3.org>
>> Date: Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 7:45 AM
>> Subject: [wbs] response to 'Determining which Community and Business
>> Groups transitions to Working Group'
>> To: paola.dimaio@gmail.com, team-community-process@w3.org
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>> The following answers have been successfully submitted to 'Determining
>> which
>> Community and Business Groups transitions to Working Group' (public) for
>> Paola Di Maio.
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>> > Your Community Group or Business Group
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>> > Please, name the Community Group or Business Group for which you are
>> > submitting answers.
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>> Name of your Community Group or Business Group: SEMANTIC WEB INTERFACES
>> (SWI) SIG
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>> > State of your Community Group or Business Group
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>> > Is your Community Group or Business Group:
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>>  * ( ) Active and ongoing and nearing completion
>>  * ( ) Inactive because it has completed its work
>>  * (x) Active and ongoing and far from completion
>>  * ( ) Inactive because the original scope is no longer relevant or
>> because
>> the CG never got momentum
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>> > Goal of your Community Group or Business Group
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>> > Is the goal of your Community Group or Business Group:
>> >
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>>  * (x) To provide a specification
>>  * ( ) To be a discussion forum for specifications done elsewhere
>>  * ( ) Other (please specify)
>> You checked "other", please specify:
>> a high level specificationn
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>> >
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------
>> > Status of the spec of your Community Group or Business Group
>> > ----
>> > What are your specification transition plans?
>> >
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>>  * ( ) We have already handed off all or part of a specification to a
>> Working Group.
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>>  * ( ) We plan to request that a specification transition to a Working
>> Group within six months.
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>>  * ( ) We have a specification that is a candidate for transition to a
>> Working Group but have no schedule yet for doing so.
>>  * (x) We do not plan to transition a specification to a Working Group
>> (provide details in the next question).
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>> > No transition to a Working Group
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>> > We do not expect to transition to a Working Group for the following
>> > reasons (check all that apply):
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>>  * [x] Too early, insufficient number of implementations yet.
>>  * [ ] Too narrow, not a key part of the Open Web Platform.
>>  * [ ] A Community Group or Business Group is good enough, Working Groups
>> have too much bureaucracy.
>>  * [ ] We suspect that key players will not want to make Working Group
>> patent commitments.
>>  * [ ] Too many key players are not Members of W3C and would not want to
>> follow the work into a Working Group.
>>  * [ ] Other (please specify).
>> You checked "other", please specify:
>> exploratory work,  community is  still loosely engaged so far
>> maybe if one or two ears if things mature
>>
>> >
>> >
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>> > Please, let us us know of anything you feel is relevant to complete your
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>> > These answers were last modified on 19 April 2014 at 02:14:48 U.T.C.
>> > by Paola Di Maio
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>> Answers to this questionnaire can be set and changed  until 2014-05-11.
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