Re: Let's turn aspiration into fact?

Also, I apologize if my last message was too rambly. But, I actually wrote
a vision statement on how I think we could build a greater Fediverse down
the road, and what kinds of things I'd love to see:

https://deadsuperhero.com/2022/02/towards-a-greater-federated-architecture/

TL;DR: I want to create a web where people can have maximum control over
their social experience online: what they see, how they see it, who can see
them, and how they can be seen. I think we have a beautiful opportunity to
create a type of social web where many types of experiences can emerge
simply by framing the same data differently.

On Thu, Feb 8, 2024, 23:46 Sean Tilley <sean@deadsuperhero.com> wrote:

> Fair. Here's my pitch:
>
> The year is 2026. The Fediverse is looser, and more fluid than it is
> today. Rather than being tethered to specific instances, users can
> transition freely, from one space to another.
>
> User migration works similarly to signing in to an instance with an app.
> An old account is authenticated against the new account, and the identity
> is verified.
>
> From there, the person can sign in from either space, treating their other
> Connected Actors as a relay that optionally announces posts from other
> accounts.
>
> Moving is as simple as declaring one Connected Actor as the primary one,
> but the user can also safely close those other accounts if they want.
> Changing the Primary Actor updates references from replies, mentions,
> comments, and search results, to the new account in question.
>
> As part of this process, a user can easily update the Author field of all
> their old posts, or may alternatively pick and choose what things to bring
> with them. The process is largely invisible to people, they just one day
> notice that their friend's handle is different.
>
> As far as user data is concerned, that's where things get really
> interesting. A user's data isn't just a bunch of notes, or status updates,
> or even one type of content. It's pictures, and videos, and forum threads,
> and private group chats. That data all lives in their main server, they
> just use a wide variety of clients to interact with all of that in
> different ways and forms.
>
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2024, 17:48 Johannes Ernst <johannes.ernst@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Note all I meant to start a conversation about a vision of what we want
>> to accomplish … thanks for all the responses, many of which are very
>> interesting, but basically none respond to the vision part!
>>
>> The basic question is: what do we want the world look like once we are
>> done here? (If we ever are. Short of that, what’s the vision on a
>> 3-to-5-year horizon?)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Johannes.
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2024, at 13:28, Aaron Gray <aaronngray@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 34Min in Eugen talks about this :-
>>
>>
>> https://softwareengineeringdaily.com/2024/01/31/mastodon-with-eugen-rochko/
>>
>>
>> Issue here :-
>>
>> https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/19902
>>
>> https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/23522
>>
>> Documentation here :-
>>
>> https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/
>>
>> Theres nothing like real world experience ;)
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 at 17:57, Johannes Ernst <johannes.ernst@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> According to David Pierce at The Verge in a piece
>>> <https://www.theverge.com/24063290/fediverse-explained-activitypub-social-media-open-protocol> published
>>> today, the Fediverse is:
>>>
>>> … an interconnected social platform ecosystem based on an open protocol
>>> called ActivityPub, which allows you to port your content, data, and
>>> follower graph between networks.
>>>
>>>
>>> He continues:
>>>
>>> If you wanted to leave one platform for another, you could bring all
>>> your content, all your followers, all your everything with you.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is aspirational compared to the state of implementation today, but
>>> a very reasonable aspiration IMHO. I would be prepared to argue that this
>>> aspiration — and a few other bit and pieces he isn’t mentioning — are
>>> essential to become real in order to deliver on the promise that people
>>> already think we are making. (Anecdotally I have found that many people
>>> believe this, not just David)
>>>
>>> What are our aspirations in SWICG here, specifically with respect to
>>> future standards work?
>>>
>>> It’s very important that we document what works today, I appreciate the
>>> people who are stepping up right now, and don’t want to distract from that.
>>>
>>> But once we have captured the present, where are we going? As a straw
>>> proposal, I propose that we adopt the two above sentences from today’s
>>> Verge piece as a vision, e.g. as “We develop the standards (and whatever
>>> else is necessary) that make easily possible … (see above)”.
>>>
>>> 1. Does this vision sound reasonable to you?
>>> 2. How can this very straw-y proposal be improved?
>>>
>>> P.S. Yes, I understand that we won’t (want to) squeeze Lemmy into
>>> Mastodon. So add the qualifier: within reason or such.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Johannes.
>>>
>>> Johannes Ernst
>>>
>>> Fediforum <https://fediforum.org/>
>>> Dazzle Labs <https://dazzlelabs.net/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Aaron Gray - @AaronNGray@fosstodon.org
>>
>> Independent Open Source Software Engineer, Computer Language Researcher,
>> Information Theorist, and Computer Scientist.
>>
>>
>>