Re: October 6th Meeting and Calls for WG Scope Contributions [via Social Web Incubator Community Group]

As part of our role in facilitating consensus, it is important that we are moving discussions forward productively. Significant discussion has gone on with regard to a prospective WG charter in the mailing list and in meetings but we were lacking a single place where specific points people wanted to action on were aggregated. Many members' support of a WG has been contingent upon conditions being met, a one being a clear, defined scope.

The end goal of the CG in advising on any prospective WG charter is a scope that codified the views of the community and that has received consensus. A wiki helps us get closer -- having one collaborative document everyone can refine -- while ensuring participation is open to all members. I provided guidance on how to access the wiki in the initial email announcing the page, although should that not be sufficient I am happy to prepare a primer.

If there are objections from the community, we can move to another platform. Working practices can and should change should a mode of documentation hinder the majority of the group's ability to do productive work.

James


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On Saturday, October 7th, 2023 at 11:50, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:


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> so 7. 10. 2023 v 11:29 odesílatel James <jamesg@jamesg.blog> napsal:
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> > "The Chairs" represents all Chairs. This distinction is important because it clearly represents the differentiation between Chairs' personal perspectives and a notice intended for the group that represents the result of discussion among Chairs.
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> > The idea was privately raised by a CG member and, as a result, was given due consideration. We -- Dmitri, Nightpool, and I -- decided to use the wiki as a forum for all CG members to share their thoughts on scope. Agreeing on specific language is easier in a document where everyone can contribute and collaborate versus a mailing list where it can be easy to miss points. Our primary concern is ensuring that thoughts on a new Charter are easy for everyone to navigate.
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> Thank you for sharing the process and intentions behind the recent actions. A few points could use a bit more clarification for the broader understanding of the group:
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> 1.  Identification: Can you share which CG member initiated the idea in the private discussion?
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> 2.  Decision-Making Process: The phrase "We decided" raises some concerns as the role of the chairs is traditionally to facilitate group consensus, not to make autonomous decisions. Can you shed some light on how this decision was reached among the Chairs without group consensus?
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> 3.  Platform Choice: The choice of the wiki for drafting the WG, while collaborative, seems a bit outside of our usual workflow. Could you share the reasoning behind this choice of platform?
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> Thank you for addressing these points.
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> > The wiki has been used across the W3C, including by the former Working Group. The Chairs contacted the W3C team to allow wiki access to all CG members to contribute. Invitations to contribute to the wiki page were noted in an email to the mailing list (the one to which you are responding) and in last week's meeting.
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> > Let me know if you have any other questions!
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> > James
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> > ------- Original Message -------
> > On Saturday, October 7th, 2023 at 03:13, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > pá 29. 9. 2023 v 20:36 odesílatel W3C Community Development Team <team-community-process@w3.org> napsal:
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> > > > Thank you to everyone who participated in the discussions pertaining to a prospective Working Group (WG). We have two announcements:
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> > > > Our next community meeting, and;
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> > > > An invitation to collaborate on scope for a prospective WG on the W3C wiki.
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> > > > October 6th Meeting
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> > > > We are scheduling a Community Group meeting for Friday, October 6th.
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> > > > The meeting will be at 11am ET / 4pm UK / 8am PT, and hosted at https://meet.jit.si/social-web-cg.
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> > > > The rough agenda for the meeting is as follows:
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> > > > Introductions (optional) and community announcements.
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> > > > IP Protection Note Reminder: (a) Anyone can participate in these calls. However, all substantive contributors to any CG Work Items must be members of the CG with full IPR agreements signed, and (b); To contribute to Work Items: ensure you have a W3 account, and sign the W3C Community Contributor License Agreement (CLA).
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> > > > A discussion on scope for a prospective WG, following on from our previous CG meeting, discussions on the mailing list, and contributions to the wiki (see below for more information).
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> > > > Discussion to start a data portability task force that would focus on social web data portability (particularly with regard to ActivityPub), and the scope thereof.
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> > > > Discussion on a formal decision making process for the group, following on from community discussion.
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> > > > Any other business.
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> > > > Call to Contribute to Prospective WG Scope
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> > > > The Chairs have created a new page on the W3C wiki to discuss the scope of a prospective WG: https://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialCG/WG_Charter_Discussion.
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> > > Which chairs? Where was the meeting? Who proposed it? Why was this path taken when the wiki is not a tool in use for most of the group?
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> > > Where is the transparency here?
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> > > > The wiki page is open to all CG members. You can log in with the same username and password you use for your W3C account. Please let the Chairs know via a private email if login doesn't work so we can assist you directly.
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> > > > WGs have the ability to create technical documents for consideration on the W3C Standards Track and to amend existing W3C Recommendations. The Chairs have created a "Deliverables" section in which we invite you to list any deliverables that you think are appropriate to include in a WG.
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> > > > If you have further notes or comments about the WG Charter discussion, please leave them on the page so that we can aggregate as much information as possible in one place.
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> > > > Thanks,
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> > > > This post sent on Social Web Incubator Community Group
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> > > > 'October 6th Meeting and Calls for WG Scope Contributions'
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> > > > https://www.w3.org/community/socialcg/2023/09/29/october-6th-meeting-and-calls-for-wg-scope-contributions/
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> > > > Learn more about the Social Web Incubator Community Group:
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> > > > https://www.w3.org/community/socialcg
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