Re: Let's meet. Was: Re: Should the specs be forked and maintained elsewhere?

Hi Johannes,

Many thanks for this, yes I shall be available to attend, and would most
like to put a quick conceptual contribution forward.

Regards,

Aaron

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 at 13:36, Sean O'Brien <sean.obrien@yale.edu> wrote:

> I don't like the part where people have to show video, even for a short
> while. If the reason is identity verification, I'm not sure why a proof of
> identity is an issue. Forced microphone is also a potential issue - just
> let people acknowledge themselves at the start of the meeting in whatever
> form they like.
>
> We will know people by their work as time goes on. No one is likely to
> impersonate a member of this list just to volunteer on activitypub and, if
> so, video won't solve that.
>
> For name, preferred or given name is much better than a handle/nickname,
> IMO. Attribution in W3C docs is not by handle. Also, I think encouraging
> nicknames in this context will get messy and not align well with email
> collaboration.
>
> I assume item #6 is a joke?
>
> Live transcription is very difficult to get right in my experience running
> online events, without hiring a professional. The plugins for OBS etc. are
> terrible. Open AI improves this dramatically, but I don't know if folks
> want their conversations fed into a data set for a language learning model.
>
> Meeting minutes should probably suffice, with video+audio recording made
> available for a limited time.
>
> Thanks,
> - Sean
>
>
>
>
> On March 24, 2023 11:41:24 AM UTC, Melvin Carvalho <
> melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> pá 24. 3. 2023 v 10:42 odesílatel Marcus Rohrmoser <me+swicg@mro.name>
>> napsal:
>>
>>> On 23 Mar 2023, at 22:34, Johannes Ernst wrote:
>>>
>>> > Can I see a show of hands who is planning to show up next Wednesday
>>> > 10am pacific aka 17:00 UTC? Just trying to get a sense whether it’s
>>> > 2 or 200 :-)
>>> >
>>> > Also, would it make sense for people who have a strong opinion on what
>>> > should and should not be done to write up their core points in a
>>> > (extremely brief) bullet list and post those here?
>>>
>>> I will attend and have put together a short intro below to set
>>> expectations if you like.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> # Intro
>>>
>>> to the swicg meeting[1] on Wednesday, March 29, 10-11am pacific daylight
>>> savings time. (17:00 - 18:00 UTC) at
>>> https://meet.privacysafe.io/ActivityPub
>>> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeet.privacysafe.io%2FActivityPub&data=05%7C01%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C665c65a93633414b0e9a08db2c5cd6c6%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638152549482230580%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=k36WCncSeg9%2BFbf9XqiHVbE0uyC4PuNTVdgiMghZbPM%3D&reserved=0>
>>> .
>>>
>>> swicg stands for 'Social Web Incubator Community Group'[2].
>>> To live up the term , let's be social ourselves in the first place.
>>>
>>> 1. be kind, treat all others with dignity,
>>> 2. assume benevolence, even if it doesn't sound like,
>>> 3. let's dedicate 10% of the time addressing societal impact as e.g.
>>> safety, protection of minorities, human well-being, resource
>>> consumption, etc.,
>>> 4. everything said and written is public and may be recorded,
>>> 5. try your video setup 15 minutes prior the meeting, prefer browsers
>>> from the Chromium family,
>>> 6. wash your hands,
>>> 7. pick a unique nick easy to pronounce and write for most,
>>> latin+numerals work fine,
>>> 8. if you intend to remain silent, prefix your nick with 's ', e.g. 's
>>> Marcus',
>>> 9. please join the meeting muted but with video, you may switch that off
>>> later,
>>> 10. the moderator should say hello to each participant and the
>>> participant should respond,
>>> 11. the moderator may use the lobby and deny access without argument,
>>> 12. after you raise hand, the moderator may put you on the speaker list
>>> (i.e. write your nick to the chat),
>>> 13. let's stick to the time, i.e. close record[3] and meeting sharp.
>>> Discussions may continue elsewhere, however,
>>> 14. the record can emerge here[3] and be sent in plain text form to the
>>> mailing list plus be mirrored elsewhere (put the links into the record).
>>>
>>
>> I appreciate the thought that has gone into this list, however I think
>> there is potential to draw from standard W3C meeting structure.
>>
>> I think the fourth item is especially noteworthy, and I suggest offering
>> to scribe and produce a transcript of the conversation as this could be
>> valuable for those who were unable to attend.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swicg/2023Mar/0124.html
>>> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fpublic-swicg%2F2023Mar%2F0124.html&data=05%7C01%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C665c65a93633414b0e9a08db2c5cd6c6%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638152549482230580%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4ek2wLtQVvHlCmf2%2B%2FY27fDOdRDHm0L1dtAb%2Bn6X%2BMk%3D&reserved=0>
>>> [2] https://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialCG
>>> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fwiki%2FSocialCG&data=05%7C01%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C665c65a93633414b0e9a08db2c5cd6c6%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638152549482386799%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3D%2FZiZ6zhsMnZWSmgeO9YXEQ2VrKvgt%2BAAE4DdI6Rac%3D&reserved=0>
>>> [3] https://hebdo.framapad.org/p/activitypub-swicg-a008?lang=en
>>> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhebdo.framapad.org%2Fp%2Factivitypub-swicg-a008%3Flang%3Den&data=05%7C01%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C665c65a93633414b0e9a08db2c5cd6c6%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638152549482386799%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zsOTIxyLHODRooGBjxhSdWt5amspta1LHOGWbmYTolY%3D&reserved=0>
>>>
>>> That said, we have the
>>>
>>> # Agenda
>>>
>>> about 15" each:
>>>
>>> 0. Welcome
>>> 1. Collect views on the future of ActivityPub (and related)
>>> standardization
>>> 2. Emerge with some sense of common direction (or be more clear about
>>> where disagreements may lie)
>>> 3. A couple of next steps
>>>
>>> ## Backlog
>>>
>>> - schedule next meeting
>>> - i18n
>>> - canonical urls for discussion, drafting, publication (mitigate link
>>> rot)
>>>
>>>

-- 
Aaron Gray

Independent Open Source Software Engineer, Computer Language Researcher,
Information Theorist, and Computer Scientist.