- From: Bob Wyman <bob@wyman.us>
- Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2023 15:22:27 -0400
- To: Marcus Rohrmoser <me+swicg@mro.name>
- Cc: public-swicg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CAA1s49UuqC74mKVwJFfhSq8Ghzwy1U6TKiQAdNVDW4ozagj1JA@mail.gmail.com>
Marcus suggests that: > In civilised societies there are courts, judges and police to apply civil > rules and finally settle disputes. But, not all curation and moderation involve issues which are within the proper scope of "courts, judges and police." Also, not all curation is focused on content which is a violation of some behavioral norm or the subject of a dispute. Some examples follow: - Sorting is a form of curation: - Posts from people who are particularly important to me (e.g. my spouse, friends, family members, etc. ) should be presented at the top of my feed to ensure that I see them. - Posts which relate to my current passions should be promoted over those of a more general or indeterminate subject. (e.g. Posts that mention ActivityPub, Nostr, BlueSky, etc. should sort higher than others. This is using filters to promote content, not only to remove it.) - I should be able to either promote or demote posts from authors who primarily or exclusively publish purely "entertaining" content such as cat pictures, jokes, etc. - Replies to my own posts should sort higher than others. - I should be able to promote posts from authors who are labeled by others who I trust as being highly credible. (I imagine that the provision of "credibility ratings" is something that could become a competitive business with many providers.) - Authors followed by an unusually large number of those who I follow should be promoted. - Removing posts from feeds is curation, but not always because of "civil rule" or norm violations. - Posts that I've already seen should be removed from my unread feed. Also, I should be able to switch from a "read" to an "unread" view. - I should be able to assign labels to authors that allow me to switch between "Posts from friends and family" or "Posts related to work." In general, I should also be able to see feeds that are specific to my various labels or combinations of those labels. - Removal might be temporary and even responsive to a schedule. For instance, I should be able to say: "On weekdays between 9am and 5pm, show no family, entertainment, or general news posts." As a result, my feed would change at 5pm every day as posts-on-hold were re-inserted into my feed. - Modifying the display of posts is another form of curation because it changes the visibility of posts and thus the likelihood that they will be read: - I may wish to enable or disable the display of images -- particularly if I'm using a device, like a phone, on a pay-for-bandwidth connection. - Posts that I've seen might display differently than other posts. (i.e. "Seen" posts might have, or not have, some distinguishing icon, or they might be rendered with a different font or opacity than unseen posts.) - The background color, font-size, etc. of posts might be dependent on labels I've assigned to their authors or attributes of their content. (i.e. Posts from friends have a blue border and larger font-size, posts about ActivityPub have a red border.) Note: I use this quite heavily in Gmail to distinguish between types of incoming mail. - Threads from family might be automatically expanded, while other posts would be collapsed by default until I explicitly expand them. - Adding otherwise unseen posts to my feed is a form of curation: - I might wish 5% of my feed to be randomly seeded with posts from people I don't follow but that are currently "trending" or are posts from authors followed by an unusually high portion of those who I follow, or who follow me. - I might wish a sample of posts to be inserted in my feed if analysis with an LLM (Large Language Model) or TF-IDF ranking system identifies content similar to that published by those that I follow. I could go on... But, the point here is that there are many "curation" rules that don't require, and shouldn't involve, "courts, judges and police." Also, Marcus objects that: > It is a matter of personal dignity to be not decided upon by a machine. However, it seems to me that many of the examples of curation that I've given above could be usefully and properly implemented by machines, yet they would be expressions of my personal view of what should be in my feed. It is I who "decides." The machine simply implements my decisions. I believe that this is a proper use of machines -- as tools which empower me to do, or to do better, those things that I desire to be done or that I need to be done. The key issue isn't whether it is a machine or a person who performs the curation or moderation, but rather who it is that decides the rules for what will or will not be seen. Any time that some third-party (i.e. someone other than an author or reader) imposes their own moral or political views on what I see, I call that "Censorship" -- not curation or moderation. But, if I am the one who decides the rules for what I see or don't see, that is curation or moderation even if I use tools identical to those that might be used by a censor. It isn't the technology that defines censorship. The difference between censorship and curation is the identity of the individual or entity that defines the rules. We should not assume that the mere use of machines is a source of evil. The evil, if any, comes from those who control those machines. bob wyman On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 5:30 AM Marcus Rohrmoser <me+swicg@mro.name> wrote: > On 29 Apr 2023, at 15:29, hellekin wrote: > > > Composable, customizable curation and moderation is algorithmic > > moderation. I'd rather not leave moderation to a machine. > > Definitively this has to come with appealability and responsibility and > is beyond machine capability. It is a matter of personal dignity to be > not decided upon by a machine. > > In civilised societies there are courts, judges and police to apply > civil rules and finally settle disputes. > > Are we talking about arbitrary rules like you mustn't say Android in the > Apple App Store or about serious things to protect individuals? The > latter is be backed by civil law, right? > > /Marcus > >
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