- From: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>
- Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:39:52 -0400
- To: public-sweo-ig@w3.org, Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>, Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>
Since I think this is quite an important note, I'm going to chime in. While I do think there's problems with both 303s and hash URIs (Please read this message to www-tag [1] to see how they both kinda have issues from a purely Web standards viewpoint, or just read the entire paper at [2]), in certain cases they are better than nothing and I think it's the job of this note to explain the TAG's decision, not change it :) Minor semantic clarifications: 1) I kinda think, even though I think this is wrong, that the term "information resource" applies to whatever might in some possible world (i.e. the future) be returned over the Web. But if the TAG hasn't noticed this then it doesn't likely matter, but just in case.. " In technical literature, such as Architecture of the World Wide Veb, Volume One <http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-webarch-20041215/> [AWWW <http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/#ref-AWWW>], the term /Information Resource/ is used instead of /Web document/." -> "For most purposes, in technical literature like the Architecture of the World Wide Veb, Volume One <http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-webarch-20041215/> [AWWW <http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/#ref-AWWW>], the term /Information Resource/ can be considered synonymous with the term /Web document/." 2) Overall the document is excellent explanation. It would be better also if it served as a bit of a primer, since after I've just been indoctrinated into giving URIs to things by using 303s, an eager developer might actually want to do this. Yet the example of how to modify an .htaccess file so 303 and conneg can be used is in "Best Practice Recipes for Publishing RDF Vocabularies" [3]. Yet the only reference of this *extremely useful* cut and paste sort of examples - precisely the kind needed by developers wanting to deploy 303s and conneg - is here "The W3C's Semantic Web Best Practices and Deployment Working Group has published a document that describes how to implement the solutions presented here on the Apache Web server. The Best Practice Recipes for Publishing RDF Vocabularies <http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-swbp-vocab-pub-20060314/> [Recipes <http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/#ref-Recipes>] mostly discuss the publication of /RDF vocabularies/, but the ideas can also be applied to other kinds of small RDF datasets that are published from static files." So, why not just either merge the documents? Or keep the "Cool URI" document as an explanation, and keep technical examples in the Best Practice Recipe Doc? To make this document useful as a primer, you either you need to provide working code (like .htaccess files) for your examples inline in the document or *clearly* tell the readers this sort of thing is in the "Best Practices" document. To make your life easier, I'd just move all the rather technical details in Sec 4.7 to the "Best Practice Recipes" in order to keep readers in line. And say, "If you're going to need help implementing content negotation and 303 redirection, please see the working examples for modifying your server in Best Practice Recipes for Publishing RDF Vocabularies <http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-swbp-vocab-pub-20060314/>." 3) Remove mention of XRIs: "*XRI <http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=xri>* defines a scheme and resolution protocol for abstract identifiers. The idea is to use URIs that contain wildcards, to adapt to changes of organizations, servers, etc. Examples are |@Jones.and.Company/(+phone.number)| or |xri://northgate.library.example.com/(urn:isbn:0-395-36341-1)|." XRIs are patented and not clearly royalty-free and IMHO can be dangerous to use. Either this should be mentioned or they should just be removed entirely. I'd prefer to remove them entirely, since if one can't say anything nice one should say nothing at all. Or you could say "Using a new scheme that isn't clearly in the public domain like the patented technology of XRIs, could inadvertently put you in a sitution where a company may demand money from you!" Minor sentence clarifications: "The notion of resource /identity/ was not so important on the traditional Web, a URL simply identified whatever we see when we type it into a browser"-> "The identity of a resource is not as important outside the Semantic Web, since a URL simply identified whatever web-page was accessed when we typed the URL into a browser." "Has the homepage an email address? And why has the homepage a homepage? " -> "Can a homepage itself have an e-mail address? And does it even make sense for a home-page to have itself as its home-page?" Maybe add a sentence or two: "A human can easily disambiguate these sort of distinctions to tell apart Alice and her homepage. Yet on a Web where data integration is performed automatically by computer programs, the sort of ambiguity caused by a having a person and their homepage have the same identifier can not be resolved automatically and may even cause problems." "a different setup is needed when publishing URIs that are meant to identify entities." -> "but a different setup is needed when publishing URIs that are meant to identify entities." "In those cases the RDF data is extracted from the returned HTML document." -> "In those cases the RDF data is extracted from the returned HTML or XML document, and a new URI can be given to this extracted data as needed." This is actually quite complicated in GRDDL [4], but referencing this might just be too scary for most people. Luckily, implementations just do it. The bottom URIs in this picture seem off, http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/img20080321/303conneg.png. Shouldn't they be http://www.example.com/aboutalice.rdf or http://www.example.com/about/alice.rdf. Otherwise, are all users on the system like Bob also being given the same about.rdf? "When using 303 URIs for an ontology, like FOAF, the network delay can reduce a client's performance considerable." -> "When using 303 URIs for an ontology, like FOAF, network delay can reduce a client's performance considerably" "An ideal case are RDF Schema vocabularies and OWL ontologies, where" -> "The ideal case is RDF Schema vocabularies and OWL ontologies, where" "of the new" -> just delete. Some rather old URI schemes, including URNs, don't provide a resolution service. Also, might add a sentence to the extent that "Using a resolution-scheme to resolve to a http URI is usually unnecessary, as often a stable http URI itself would accomplish the exact same purpose but with less overhead." "We see that HTTP URIs are still used to identify the location where to download more information." -> "In this way, HTTP URIs are still used to identify the location where to download more information." Overall, great job! [1]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Mar/0073.html [2]http://www.ibiblio.org/hhalpin/homepage/publications/indefenseofambiguity.html [3]http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-vocab-pub/ [4] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#base_misc -- -harry Harry Halpin, University of Edinburgh http://www.ibiblio.org/hhalpin 6B522426
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