- From: Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:44:44 +0100
- To: "Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol)" <skw@hp.com>
- CC: Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>, Susie M Stephens <STEPHENS_SUSIE_M@LILLY.COM>, "public-sweo-ig@w3.org" <public-sweo-ig@w3.org>, Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com>, Norman Walsh <Norman.Walsh@Sun.COM>, "tag@w3.org" <tag@w3.org>
It was Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol) who said at the right time
15.02.2008 12:11 the following words:
> Hello Leo, Richard,
>
> Following our telcon meeting yesterday TimBL and DanC did more work to
> clarify their rendering of the diagram originally discussed around [1,2].
>
> They have produced the following which I hope will 'unblock' whatever
> is causing us a problem wrt to item #2 in the threaded discussion below.
>
> _ http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/tag/HTTP303.png_
> <http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/tag/HTTP303.png>
> _http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/tag/HTTP303.graffle_
>
> Note: i don't thing this diagram visually distinguishes between URIs
> and resources, a distinction which I think is useful and was apparent
> in the whiteboard diagram/photo at [2].
>
> Would you find it useful to come to a TAG telcon to talk through a bit
> how we (well... you) finalise this document? I have regrets from
> TimBL to TAG telcons through to and including 13th March, so we'd
> either have to make progress in his absense or wait until he was
> available. DanC is on the hook to scribe our meeting on 21st Feb... so
> that would be a possibility - or we will all be meeting F2F in
> Vancouver 26-28th Feb and we could try to have you join us by phone if
> that would work.
Richard and I have looked at the diagram and discussed about it,
the approach as depicted on above image [3] is confusing us,
is seems to be different from the photo at [2],
and also to what is written in http-range-14.
In the *worst* way, I could intentionally mis-interpret [3] as the
following:
== worst case===
* URIthing identifying the thing
* URIgen identifying a forwarder uri
* URIrdf identifying a rdf document
* URIhtml identifying a html document
On a GET to URIthing
it makes a 303 redirect to URIgen,
which will do another 303 (based on conneg) to either,
URIrdf or URIhtml.
== /worst case ==
3 http roundtrips - this is not what you had in mind!?
I would guess that other readers may also mis-interpret the provided
graphic [3] and therefore would NOT use it as is in the document.
My understanding of the decision was:
== we assumed ==
Assuming we start with graphic [4], the content-negotiation and 303
redirect is handled:
On a GET to URIthing
make a 303 redirect from URIthing to URIrdf or URIhtml based on conneg,
defaulting to "URIhtml" for browsers that do not pass RDF as "accept"
== /we assumed==
YES?
Out of sheer curiosity, I wonder if using a method indicated on [5] may
also work for semantic-web redirects... but we will stick to 303 in the
document, we only wanted to explain the http-range-14 decision.
[3] http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/tag/HTTP303.png
[4] http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/img20071212/303.png
[5] http://www.w3.org/TR/chips/#cp5.2
best
Leo
>
> In terms of closing our outstanding comments - seeing finalised
> diagrams alongside the accompanying narrative is important to us. We
> would like to review the document in as near final form as possible.
> FWIW that also means resolving (or removing) the dangling todo's
> particularly if they are going to add text to the document.
>
> Lastly, we ran out of time on our call before I could establish where
> the rest of the TAG were satisfied by the changes that you had made on
> section 3.1
>
> I hope that all makes sense. Basically,
> - we'd be happy to invite you to a segment of one of our meetings in
> order to get he interaction bandwidth up - please let me know if you
> would like to do that;
> - we'd like to review the document in as near final form (in
> particular in thr form in which if we say 'good-to-go' from our POV
> then it is published exactly as is at that point - modulo
> boilerplate/status changes). If that is the state that you believe
> that you are already in, please let us know.
>
> BR
>
> Stuart
> --
> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Sep/0109.html
> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Sep/0061
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol)
> *Sent:* 14 February 2008 12:25
> *To:* 'Leo Sauermann'
> *Cc:* Susie M Stephens; public-sweo-ig@w3.org; Dan Connolly;
> Richard Cyganiak; Danny Ayers; Norman Walsh
> *Subject:* RE: checking "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
> comments... would like more time
>
> Hello Leo,
>
> Sorry, I/we misunderstood the intent of the @@'s as signalling
> places in the document that you intended to do more work on (a
> common use for @@'s) rather than as marking places where you
> needed to confirm resolutions.
>
> We'll take a look and try to get back to you ASAP (within a couple
> of days I hope).
>
> In respect of the 3 points below:
>
> On 1: Yes I think we've agreed to respect the decision you've made.
>
> On 2: This relates to a diagram. I believe that TAG members *will*
> regard it as crucial that you present for review the diagram that
> you intend to publish. The diagram was a source of *significant*
> discussion in the TAG F2F meeting that gave rise to our feedback -
> so I don't think that TAG would sign-off on the revisions without
> sight of the replacement diagram
>
> On 3: I have read the paragraphs in section 3.1 and they look fine
> to me (personnally)... however, I (or another TAG member) will
> report on whether the TAG concur.
>
> Wrt the TODOs at the end of the document - I believe that there is
> TAG interested in the disposition of those items (particularly
> 2nd-4th items), and currently no indication of how they will be
> resolved in the document.
>
> We will be discusssing this on 14th Feb.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Leo Sauermann [mailto:leo.sauermann@dfki.de]
> *Sent:* 13 February 2008 15:35
> *To:* Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol)
> *Cc:* Susie M Stephens; public-sweo-ig@w3.org; Dan Connolly;
> Richard Cyganiak; Danny Ayers
> *Subject:* Re: checking "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
> comments... would like more time
>
> Hi Stuart,
>
> we reviewed the document and left in many @@ to show that we
> have worked on these sections, also including comments such as
> "@@ The next paragraphs address a recommendation by TAG to
> weaken our "err on the side of caution" recommendation by
> explaning the problem better. TAG members may verify if their
> recommendation was met by our explanation."
>
> So, looking at [2] I would say
> (1) we both agreed that this was not crucial and we decided
> not to do it becuase of readability
> (2) this is still outstanding but not crucial
> (3) has been addressed, we would like to hear your opinion
> about the changed text
>
> for (3) ("err on the side of caution") we added a reference to
> the AWWW.
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-cooluris-20071217/#distinguishing
>
> I would humbly ask, to speed up the process we have (facing
> the end of SWEO) to skim through the document and read the @@
> comments to check if you agree wiht the decisions we made
> regarding your prior comments.
>
> Once you agree to the @@, we can safely remove them, some of
> them are intentionally left in to allow you to read our
> discussion and answers to suggested changes.
>
> best
> Leo
>
> It was Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol) who said at the
> right time 25.01.2008 17:00 the following words:
>> Susie, Leo,
>>
>> Norm Walsh has taken a review pass over the recent changes to the "Cool URIs..." document checking the changes against comments which he raised in [1]. He's posted his comments on www-tag@w3.org at [2].
>>
>> Norm notes 3 comments that do not appear to have been accepted or adopted. He indicates:
>> - satisfaction that the group has considered the first;
>> - a lack of clarity about the disposition of the second;
>> - and no apparent change on the third.
>>
>> Norm also notes a number of @@ and editorial comments that have yet to be resolved and are indicative of at least one more editorial cycle.
>>
>> Accordingly, we would be happy to review the entire document again once the editors have resolved the remaining issues that they indicate as outstanding.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Stuart Williams
>> for W3C TAG
>> --
>> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Sep/0090
>> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Jan/0067
>>
>> Hewlett-Packard Limited registered Office: Cain Road, Bracknell, Berks RG12 1HN
>> Registered No: 690597 England
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Susie M Stephens [mailto:STEPHENS_SUSIE_M@LILLY.COM]
>>> Sent: 18 January 2008 16:13
>>> To: Dan Connolly
>>> Cc: public-sweo-ig@w3.org; public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org;
>>> Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol)
>>> Subject: Re: checking "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
>>> comments... would like more time
>>>
>>> Hi Dan,
>>>
>>> It would clearly be good if you could get all comments to us
>>> by Jan 21.
>>> However, we very much value input from the TAG, so we can be
>>> somewhat flexible.
>>>
>>> SWEO is currently chartered to finish at the end of January,
>>> but if absolutely necessary we could explore extending the
>>> group by a month.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Susie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan Connolly
>>> <connolly@w3.org>
>>> Sent by:
>>> To
>>> public-sweo-ig-re public-sweo-ig@w3.org
>>> quest@w3.org
>>> cc
>>> "Williams, Stuart (HP Labs,
>>> Bristol)" <skw@hp.com>
>>> 01/17/2008 03:58
>>> Subject
>>> PM checking "Cool URIs for the
>>> Semantic Web" comments... would
>>> like more time
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In today's TAG teleconference, we took note of the recent draft
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-cooluris-20071217/
>>>
>>> As our comments on earlier drafts go back as far Sep 2007
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Sep/0091
>>> it's taking us some time to swap them back in to check they
>>> way they were addressed in your 17 Dec draft.
>>>
>>> Regarding...
>>> "comments should possibly be sent until 21 January 2008."
>>> ... we're not likely to meet that deadline. We expect to get
>>> some of our double-check done by 24 Jan, but some of it may
>>> take a little longer. I hope you can stand by.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
>>> gpg D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541 0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29E
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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