RE: [Fwd: SDForum Ontology vs. Folksonomy]

I've managed to turn Sam Sethi from www.vecosys.com around. He no longer believes Microformats is the way forward in the long term (for anything other than what they're ok at addressing). He spent an entire weekend with his head in a RDF book and now wants to promote the Semantic Web.

That's just one person but I'm talking regularly to people who are equally influential and who wish to learn more.

Cheers
Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Pollock
> Sent: 16 March 2007 15:37
> To: 'Ivan Herman'
> Cc: 'W3C SWEO IG'
> Subject: RE: [Fwd: SDForum Ontology vs. Folksonomy]
> 
> 
> Ivan-
> 
> Audience reaction was mixed. Some of the Web 2.0 advocates were rightfully
> defending the utility of tag library implementations at del.icio.us and amazon.com et
> al. It took some explanation to communicate the idea that these tag libraries,
> community developed or not, do nothing to aid data interop at a machine level. In the
> end, we all agreed that there are different use cases for Web 2.0 and Semantic Web
> (but I did make the point that semweb languages could subsume the existing
> approaches to Web 2.0 implementation). Another part of the audience still had trouble
> with the notion of inference. Word on the street about "ontology" is just that they are
> for classifying, as if all it is, is a way of defining buckets, that you would then tag
> things with. Lost to the Web 2.0 masses is the distinction between a "told" ontology
> vs. an "inferred" ontology (eg: materialized graphs)...we spent some time with
> examples of these.
> 
> The controversy IMHO is manufactured, but useful to turn out crowds of web
> developers.  But I guess it is sort of like talking to HTML coders about UML back in
> 1997.  (there's only so far you can go with it)
> 
> Best, -Jeff-
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:50 AM
> To: Jeff Pollock
> Cc: W3C SWEO IG
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: SDForum Ontology vs. Folksonomy]
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> Thanks for these slides Jeff. What was the reaction in the audience, b.t.w.?
> 
> Actually... what you say is interesting at one point: "The organizers
> intent was to drive some controversy in the audience". I feel like
> public figures being manipulated by journalists. Of course, it is good
> for the organizers if there is controversy, that is their bread and
> butter, but it is manipulation nevertheless...
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Ivan
> 
> Ivan Herman wrote:
> > Jeff's original attachment was too large for the mailing list, so I
> > added the file to our web site on the following URI:
> >
> > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/2007/Pollock.SDForum.Ontology-vs-
> Folksonomy.small.ppt
> >
> > Ivan
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject:  [Moderator Action (size limit exceeded)] SDForum Ontology vs.
> > Folksonomy
> > Date:  Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:13:51 +0000
> > From:  Jeff Pollock <jeff.pollock@oracle.com>
> > Reply-To:  <jeff.pollock@oracle.com>
> > Organization:  Oracle
> > To:  <semantic-tech_us@oracle.com>, "'W3C SWEO IG'" <public-sweo-ig@w3.org>
> >
> >
> >
> > Oracle SemTech and W3C SWEO-
> >
> >
> >
> > I gave a short panel talk in Palo Alto last night on the topic of
> > SOntology vs. Folksonomy, Tortoise and the Hare.⬝  The organizers intent
> > was to drive some controversy in the audience and I took the opportunity
> > to try and accomplish some Myth-Busting about the Semantic Web⬦slides
> > are attached.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards, -Jeff-
> >
> >
> >
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