RE: meeting record: 2009-05-19 SWD WG telecon

Sorry... again I didn't attendted...
Will travel for the next 3 weeks, but I will try to follow and attend as much
as I can...

Thanks
Margherita


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From: public-swd-wg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-swd-wg-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of Ralph R. Swick
Sent: 21 May 2009 04:02
To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
Subject: meeting record: 2009-05-19 SWD WG telecon


The minutes of the 19-May SemWeb Deployment Working Group telecon are now
available as

   http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-swd-minutes.html

Thanks to Antoine for scribing the end of the meeting and for doing the
cleanup of these minutes.

A text snapshot follows.

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                    SemWeb Deployment Working Group

19 May 2009

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009May/0064.html

   See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2009-05-05

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-swd-irc
      [4] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html

Attendees

   Present
          Ralph Swick, Sean Bechhofer, Jon Phipps, Antoine Isaac, Ed
          Summers, Guus _Schreiber

   Regrets
          Tom Baker, Diego Berrueta

   Chair
          Guus

   Scribe
          Ralph, Antoine

Contents

     * Topics
         1. Admin
         2. SKOS
         3. Transition Request
     * Summary of Action Items
     _____________________________________________________

Admin

   RESOLVED to accept minutes of the last telecon
   [10]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html

     [10] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html

   RESOLVED next telecon 2 June

SKOS

   -> [11]editor's draft of SKOS Reference

     [11] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/

   (currently $Revision 1.8$)

   Sean: editorial tweaks discussed in mail are almost complete
   ... so nearly done w/Reference

   ACTION: [DONE] SKOS editors to draft acknowledgements section for
   SKOS Reference [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-swd-minutes.html#action01]

   [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action04]

     [13] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action04

   ACTION: [DONE] SKOS editors to draft acknowledgements section for
   SKOS Reference [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action04]

     [14] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action04

   Guus: issue-214 still open

   Antoine: That doesn't really concern SKOS; it's about RDFa

   Ed: that was my feeling as well

   -> [15]issue 214

     [15] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/214

   Ed: DanBri's comment was about something in loc.gov

   Ralph: is DanBri citing something in one of our documents?

   Guus: no, an LC document

   Antoine: so change the tracker product to RDFa

   Ralph: but if this is going to be a frequent mistake maybe we should
   consider adding some advice

   Guus: that could go in the Primer

   Ralph: yes

   Guus: so we conclude this does not affect the Reference?

   <Antoine> +1

   [no objections]

   <seanb> +1

   <edsu> +1

   Guus: therefore no outstanding CR comments

   Sean: regarding URIs in Appendix C
   ... there are references to namespace documents
   ... which URIs should I use?

   Guus: we'll take that up in a moment

   ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ralph to raise issue-214 with rdfa tf [recorded
   in [16]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]

     [16] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action01

   -> [17]SKOS Primer Editor's Draft

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090427.html

   Ralph: I presumed we'd publish the Primer together with the
   Reference Proposed Rec

   Guus: yes

   -- UCR document

   Antoine: I added some historical notes
   ... and added links to the issue tracker

   Guus: I suggest publishing the Use Cases as a Group Note at the same
   time as the Proposed Rec

   <Antoine>
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/usecases/ucr-20090428.html

     [18] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/usecases/ucr-20090428.html

   Antoine: I added cross-references to the UCR:
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/usecases/ucr-20090428.html#Ca
   ndidate

     [19]
http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/usecases/ucr-20090428.html#Candidate

   PROPOSED: Publish revised SKOS Use Cases and Requirements as a Group
   Note at the time the final SKOS Recommendation is published

   <Ralph> +1

   RESOLUTION: Publish revised SKOS Use Cases and Requirements as a
   Group Note at the time the final SKOS Recommendation is published

   -- Namespace document

   Guus: what's the state of the labels in the namespace document?

   Sean: discussion on the list
   ... there's an HTML variant and an RDF/XML variant
   ... the HTML variant had a lot of additional text which I've removed
   and put in an appendix
   ... so each variant only describes itself
   ... I believe the content is now OK
   ... the SKOS namespace document is served via content negotiation
   ... what URIs should I use for the OWL DL subset and the SKOS XL
   RDF/XML variant?

   <seanb> [20]Appendix C

     [20]
http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/#namespace-documents

   Guus: the reference to [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos-xl in C.4.
   looks correct

     [21] http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos-xl

   Ralph: we've used that URI before, so OK to keep using it

   Sean: what URI to use for the OWL 1 DL subset?

   Guus: have we published it before?

   Sean: no, but it is in the directory

   Ralph: there's no particular reason why we could not use the
   2008/04/skos/ space

   Guus: and this is the DL version of the schema in 2004/02/skos

   Sean: what should we call it?

   <Ralph> skos-owl1-dl.rdf ?

   Guus: fine with me

   <seanb> I meant 2004/02/skos/skos-owl1-dl.rdf ??

   <Guus> 2004/02/skos/owl1-dl.rdf ?

   Sean: skos/owl1-dl.rdf is fine with me

   Ralph: ok with me too
   ... it's a new RDF namespace so we'll need Director's approval

   Guus: send notice to the list when Appendix C is ready for review

   ACTION: Sean send notice to the list when Appendix C is ready for
   review [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-swd-minutes.html#action04]

   -- Implementation Report

   Guus: looking at the issues list, of 29 issues 27 refer to
   implementations
   ... so I think there's ample evidence that the SKOS specification is
   being implemented

   Sean: I'm slightly worried that the capture of the various
   constructs used in each vocabulary is not exhaustive
   ... the reports were not necessarily completely explicit
   ... in particular, I'm not sure that ordered collections have been
   implemented
   ... but 2 implementations do claim to use -xl

   Guus: I couldn't find any details on the -xl implementations

   Antoine: we do have one vocabulary that would benefit from label
   relations but we've not yet done it

   Sean: I have an email from Simon Jupp that I could ask him to send
   to the list

   Guus: -xl is an extension anyway
   ... it's clear that the main part of SKOS, in particular the mapping
   relations, is heavily used
   ... I don't feel the Group needs to put enormous effort into a
   systematic analysis
   ... with 27 implementations I feel we can say we're done

   Sean: I'm happy to go with that

   Guus: I'm happy to write some text with my findings for the
   transition request

   Sean: can I consider this implementation report to be completed
   then?
   ... I'll paste the two tables into the HTML document

   ->
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/implementa
   tion.html implementation report generated from the issues tracker

     [23]
http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/implementation.html

   Sean: there are two additional tables generated from a Google
   spreadsheet

   <seanb> [24]google doc

     [24] http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=rmQPwhMMWXxY62FinzE44Eg

   Sean: should I paste the spreadsheet table into the implementation
   report?

   Guus: yes

   Ralph: yes

   Sean: it's a hassle to do that paste so I'd like to do it only once

   Guus: how about an image paste?

   Ralph: no, that would be frowned on

   Guus: I suggest freezing it now
   ... the implementation report does not have to be exhaustive

   Sean: OK, I'll freeze and paste later today

   ACTION: [DONE] Sean to look for SKOS constructs not used by current
   implementations [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action04]

     [25] http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action04

   ACTION: [CONTINUES] Sean to complete implementation report by 19th
   [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action05]

     [26] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action05

Transition Request

   Guus: we've met the CR exit criteria

   PROPOSED to request the Director to advance the SKOS Reference to
   Proposed Recommendation
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/ with
   Appendix C edits

     [27] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/

   <Ralph> +1

   [Ralph has to depart for another call]

   RESOLVED to request the Director to advance the SKOS Reference to
   Proposed Recommendation
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/ with
   Appendix C edits

     [28] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/

   ACTION: Guus to prepare the request for PR [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-swd-minutes.html#action07]

   Guus: once PR is requested, the WG gets out of the loop, and
   advisory committee vote, and the director decides

   Guus: meeting is adjourned

   ACTION: Ralph publish Antoine's new intermediate pages for legacy
   specs [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action11]
   [CONTINUES]

     [30] http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action11

   ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group
   Note [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
   [CONTINUES]

     [31] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02

   ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
   [CONTINUES]

     [32] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15

   ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes
   implementations] [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
   [CONTINUES]

     [33] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20

   ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the
   metadata note [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
   [CONTINUES]

     [34] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Guus to prepare the request for PR [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-swd-minutes.html#action07]
   [NEW] ACTION: Sean send notice to the list when Appendix C is ready
   for review [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-swd-minutes.html#action04]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition
   to Group Note [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of
   the metadata note [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph publish Antoine's new intermediate pages for
   legacy specs [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action11]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to raise issue-214 with rdfa tf [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft
   [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
   Recipes implementations] [recorded in
   [42]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Sean to complete implementation report by 19th
   [recorded in
   [43]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action05]

     [37] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
     [38] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03
     [39] http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action11
     [40] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action01
     [41] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15
     [42] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
     [43] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action05

   [DONE] ACTION: Sean to look for SKOS constructs not used by current
   implementations [recorded in
   [44]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action04]
   [DONE] ACTION: SKOS editors to draft acknowledgements section for
   SKOS Reference [recorded in
   [45]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action04]
   [DONE] ACTION: SKOS editors to draft acknowledgements section for
   SKOS Reference [recorded in
   [46]http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-swd-minutes.html#action01]

     [44] http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action04
     [45] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action04

   [End of minutes]
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