- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:08:33 -0500
- To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
The minutes of today's Semantic Web Deployment Working Group telecon
are now available:
http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html
A text snapshot follows.
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SWD WG
27 Jan 2009
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0081.html
See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2009-01-20
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-irc
[4] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-swd-minutes.html
Attendees
Present
Tom Baker, Ralph Swick, Guus Schreiber, Alistair Miles,
Antoine Isaac, Ben Adida, Ed Summers
Regrets
Margherita Sini, Sean Bechhofer
Chair
Guus
Scribe
Ralph
Contents
* Topics
1. Admin
2. SKOS CR
3. SKOS Primer
4. SKOS Implementation Report
5. RDFa
6. Recipes
7. Metadata Note
8. Other Business
9. "Standard" vs. mapping relationships in Primer
* Summary of Action Items
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Admin
RESOLVED to accept [16]minutes of 20-Jan meeting
[16] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-swd-minutes.html
RESOLVED next telecon 10 Feb
Guus: typo in the month in my agenda mail
SKOS CR
Ralph:when we enter last call
...we are required to notify all other WGs, remind them of end date
... so if any WGs have comments, they get notice
... We (I or chairs) should have sent message to chairs list
... I remembered to send message to WG about last call, should've
also sent to chairs
Guus: one editorial comment from I18N
Alistair: yep, it's editorial
Guus: propose to accept the change
-> "[17]Re: Request for feedback on SKOS Last Call Working Draft"
[Felix Sasaki 2009-01-24]
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0069.html
"editorial comment re: Japanese scripts"; now [18]issue-188
[18] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/188
PROPOSED: resolve issue-188 by accepting the commentor's edit
RESOLVED issue-188 closed by accepting the commentor's edit
ACTION: Alistair respond to Felix re: issue-188 [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html#action01]
SKOS Primer
Guus: does the Primer contain the same text about Japanese scripts?
Antoine: don't think so
SKOS Implementation Report
ACTION: [DONE] Guus to report on usage of SKOS in vocabularies at VU
for SKOS implementation report [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action09
-> "[21]SKOS usage at eCulture/Europeana" [27]
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0080.html
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/thread.html#msg64
Guus: the table Antoine cites might be a format we copy for our
implementation report
Antoine: we might improve this by allowing sort by column and by
clustering the columns by general function
... any feedback is welcom
-> [22]table of SKOS usage
[22] http://www.few.vu.nl/~ronny/eculture/skos-usage-eculture.html
-> [23]Thought Lab portal
[23] http://www.europeana.eu/portal/thought-lab.html
Guus: This is the new European Union-funded portal
... was presented in October to EU Ministries and got a lot of Press
attention
... 10m hits/hour on the first day
... re-opened end of December with increased server capacity
... [24]Thought Lab is the experimental SemWeb implementation; gets
several thousand hits/day
... Thought Lab is a public demonstrator with data from 3
institutions; Rijksmuseum Amsterdam, Musee du Louvre, Netherlands
Institute for Art History
[24] http://www.europeana.eu/portal/thought-lab.html
ACTION: [PENDING] Sean to report on SKOSED for SKOS implementation
report [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10
-> "[26]application in indexing and search" Johan De Smedt
2009-01-23]
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0064.html
Guus: Johan's message is applicable to our implementation report;
[27]the thread includes notes on two checkers
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/thread.html#msg64
Alistair: I can take a look and maybe provide feedback
Guus: need someone to volunteer as editor for implementation report
Ralph: I was hoping Sean would take this :)
Guus: I'll ask Sean
Alistair: I'm totally maxed out, sorry
Guus: I may ask someone not currently in the group
ACTION: Guus discuss with Sean editors for the SKOS implementation
report [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html#action04]
RDFa
Ben: we're actively working on updating the use cases in the wiki
... and Michael will update the Note based on the wiki content
... a lot of the wiki update is motivated by discussions with the
HTML Working Group
... the Task Force has onging work on providing guidance on how to
make RDFa friendly to HTML
ACTION: [PENDING] Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition
to Group Note [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
Recipes
ACTION: [PENDING] Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft
[recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15
ACTION: [PENDING] Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
Metadata Note
ACTION: [PENDING] Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of
the metadata note [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03
Other Business
ACTION: [PENDING] Guus to look at OWL documents for review [recorded
in [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[33] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10
Guus: I've started this, hope to post a draft response by the end of
the week
... a short summary of my comments: (a) the number of additional
features provided is useful for characterizing SKOS properties
... (b) none of the documents are really accessible to a typical
SKOS reader
... (c) the documents appear to be very biased toward the -DL
version of the language
Ralph: I would concur with all three
Alistair: me too
<TomB> +1 on Guus's comments
"Standard" vs. mapping relationships in Primer
-> [34]"Mapping" vs "standard" relationships [Tom 2009-01-13] start
of thread
[34] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0048.html
<TomB> [35]Antoine's message on 27 January
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0077.html
Antoine: it's still difficult to evaluate; the discussion is around
one sentence
... whether to keep or remove or change this sentence
... the discussion is still ongoing
... but the conclusion will be easy to write once we agree
Tom: the Primer currently in queue to be published seems to
recommend the use of mapping relationships when enriching a
vocabulary
... the minimal approach taken in SKOS Reference makes a simpler
distinction; it says only that you should use standard relationships
when talking about relationships within a concept scheme and mapping
relationships between schemes
... the current editor's draft of the Primer suggests using mapping
relationships when someone other than the owner is making
relationships within a concept scheme
... this appears to me to be a bit of an inconsistency
... for the next version of the Primer it would be good to decide
this
... "enrichment within a concept scheme" is one suggestion
... I would accept a minimum solution
... if Antoine's point could be articulated in a way to satisfy
everyone, I see some value in it
Ed: what's the one sentence?
<TomB> [36]SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090113
[36] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090113.html
Antoine: the discussion started with a sentence about enrichment
Tom: see end of [37]section 3.1
... "However, the use of mapping properties might also be
appropriate in cases where someone other than its owner needs to
enrich the semantic relationships within a particular concept
scheme."
... the question is whether this goes beyond what SKOS Reference
says
[37] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090113.html#secmapping
Guus: what would be the problem in deleting the sentence?
<aliman> Key section from SKOS Reference, [38]section 10.6.1.
Mapping Properties, Semantic Relation Properties and Concept
Schemes, """By convention, the SKOS mapping properties are only used
to link concepts in different concept schemes."""
[38] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20081001/#mapping
Guus: we could see what practices are adopted
... this doesn't sound like a necessary statement for a Primer
... but could agree that this sort of hint is not appropriate for a
Primer
... it's not a strong hint anyway; I'd feel more comfortable
removing it.
... if we had more time, I'd hope the document would be shorter :)
... would dropping this sentence remove the problem?
Alistair: think so
Tom: looking at the preceeding sentence ...
... the paragraph before isn't necessarily the best wording but I
don't have anything better to suggest right now
Guus: I suggest we drop the 'However ...' sentence from the Primer
Antoine: OK with me
Alistair: OK to drop
Tom: OK to drop
ACTION: SKOS Editors drop "However, the use of mapping properties
might..." sentence from the primer section 3.1 [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[adjourned]
<ed> TomB, thanks for the detailed look at Primer
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair respond to Felix re: issue-188 [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus discuss with Sean editors for the SKOS
implementation report [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: SKOS Editors drop "However, the use of mapping
properties might..." sentence from the primer section 3.1 [recorded
in [42]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition
to Group Note [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to look at OWL documents for review [recorded
in [44]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of
the metadata note [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft
[recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[PENDING] ACTION: Sean to report on SKOSED for SKOS implementation
report [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[43] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
[44] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10
[45] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03
[46] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15
[47] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
[48] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10
[DONE] ACTION: Guus to report on usage of SKOS in vocabularies at VU
for SKOS implementation report [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[49] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action09
[End of minutes]
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