- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:08:33 -0500
- To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
The minutes of today's Semantic Web Deployment Working Group telecon are now available: http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html A text snapshot follows. ---- SWD WG 27 Jan 2009 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0081.html See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2009-01-20 [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-irc [4] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-swd-minutes.html Attendees Present Tom Baker, Ralph Swick, Guus Schreiber, Alistair Miles, Antoine Isaac, Ben Adida, Ed Summers Regrets Margherita Sini, Sean Bechhofer Chair Guus Scribe Ralph Contents * Topics 1. Admin 2. SKOS CR 3. SKOS Primer 4. SKOS Implementation Report 5. RDFa 6. Recipes 7. Metadata Note 8. Other Business 9. "Standard" vs. mapping relationships in Primer * Summary of Action Items _____________________________________________________ Admin RESOLVED to accept [16]minutes of 20-Jan meeting [16] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-swd-minutes.html RESOLVED next telecon 10 Feb Guus: typo in the month in my agenda mail SKOS CR Ralph:when we enter last call ...we are required to notify all other WGs, remind them of end date ... so if any WGs have comments, they get notice ... We (I or chairs) should have sent message to chairs list ... I remembered to send message to WG about last call, should've also sent to chairs Guus: one editorial comment from I18N Alistair: yep, it's editorial Guus: propose to accept the change -> "[17]Re: Request for feedback on SKOS Last Call Working Draft" [Felix Sasaki 2009-01-24] [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0069.html "editorial comment re: Japanese scripts"; now [18]issue-188 [18] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/188 PROPOSED: resolve issue-188 by accepting the commentor's edit RESOLVED issue-188 closed by accepting the commentor's edit ACTION: Alistair respond to Felix re: issue-188 [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html#action01] SKOS Primer Guus: does the Primer contain the same text about Japanese scripts? Antoine: don't think so SKOS Implementation Report ACTION: [DONE] Guus to report on usage of SKOS in vocabularies at VU for SKOS implementation report [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action09] [20] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action09 -> "[21]SKOS usage at eCulture/Europeana" [27] [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0080.html [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/thread.html#msg64 Guus: the table Antoine cites might be a format we copy for our implementation report Antoine: we might improve this by allowing sort by column and by clustering the columns by general function ... any feedback is welcom -> [22]table of SKOS usage [22] http://www.few.vu.nl/~ronny/eculture/skos-usage-eculture.html -> [23]Thought Lab portal [23] http://www.europeana.eu/portal/thought-lab.html Guus: This is the new European Union-funded portal ... was presented in October to EU Ministries and got a lot of Press attention ... 10m hits/hour on the first day ... re-opened end of December with increased server capacity ... [24]Thought Lab is the experimental SemWeb implementation; gets several thousand hits/day ... Thought Lab is a public demonstrator with data from 3 institutions; Rijksmuseum Amsterdam, Musee du Louvre, Netherlands Institute for Art History [24] http://www.europeana.eu/portal/thought-lab.html ACTION: [PENDING] Sean to report on SKOSED for SKOS implementation report [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10] [25] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10 -> "[26]application in indexing and search" Johan De Smedt 2009-01-23] [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0064.html Guus: Johan's message is applicable to our implementation report; [27]the thread includes notes on two checkers [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/thread.html#msg64 Alistair: I can take a look and maybe provide feedback Guus: need someone to volunteer as editor for implementation report Ralph: I was hoping Sean would take this :) Guus: I'll ask Sean Alistair: I'm totally maxed out, sorry Guus: I may ask someone not currently in the group ACTION: Guus discuss with Sean editors for the SKOS implementation report [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html#action04] RDFa Ben: we're actively working on updating the use cases in the wiki ... and Michael will update the Note based on the wiki content ... a lot of the wiki update is motivated by discussions with the HTML Working Group ... the Task Force has onging work on providing guidance on how to make RDFa friendly to HTML ACTION: [PENDING] Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02] [29] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02 Recipes ACTION: [PENDING] Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15] [30] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15 ACTION: [PENDING] Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [31] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20 Metadata Note ACTION: [PENDING] Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03] [32] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03 Other Business ACTION: [PENDING] Guus to look at OWL documents for review [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10] [33] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10 Guus: I've started this, hope to post a draft response by the end of the week ... a short summary of my comments: (a) the number of additional features provided is useful for characterizing SKOS properties ... (b) none of the documents are really accessible to a typical SKOS reader ... (c) the documents appear to be very biased toward the -DL version of the language Ralph: I would concur with all three Alistair: me too <TomB> +1 on Guus's comments "Standard" vs. mapping relationships in Primer -> [34]"Mapping" vs "standard" relationships [Tom 2009-01-13] start of thread [34] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0048.html <TomB> [35]Antoine's message on 27 January [35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0077.html Antoine: it's still difficult to evaluate; the discussion is around one sentence ... whether to keep or remove or change this sentence ... the discussion is still ongoing ... but the conclusion will be easy to write once we agree Tom: the Primer currently in queue to be published seems to recommend the use of mapping relationships when enriching a vocabulary ... the minimal approach taken in SKOS Reference makes a simpler distinction; it says only that you should use standard relationships when talking about relationships within a concept scheme and mapping relationships between schemes ... the current editor's draft of the Primer suggests using mapping relationships when someone other than the owner is making relationships within a concept scheme ... this appears to me to be a bit of an inconsistency ... for the next version of the Primer it would be good to decide this ... "enrichment within a concept scheme" is one suggestion ... I would accept a minimum solution ... if Antoine's point could be articulated in a way to satisfy everyone, I see some value in it Ed: what's the one sentence? <TomB> [36]SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090113 [36] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090113.html Antoine: the discussion started with a sentence about enrichment Tom: see end of [37]section 3.1 ... "However, the use of mapping properties might also be appropriate in cases where someone other than its owner needs to enrich the semantic relationships within a particular concept scheme." ... the question is whether this goes beyond what SKOS Reference says [37] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090113.html#secmapping Guus: what would be the problem in deleting the sentence? <aliman> Key section from SKOS Reference, [38]section 10.6.1. Mapping Properties, Semantic Relation Properties and Concept Schemes, """By convention, the SKOS mapping properties are only used to link concepts in different concept schemes.""" [38] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20081001/#mapping Guus: we could see what practices are adopted ... this doesn't sound like a necessary statement for a Primer ... but could agree that this sort of hint is not appropriate for a Primer ... it's not a strong hint anyway; I'd feel more comfortable removing it. ... if we had more time, I'd hope the document would be shorter :) ... would dropping this sentence remove the problem? Alistair: think so Tom: looking at the preceeding sentence ... ... the paragraph before isn't necessarily the best wording but I don't have anything better to suggest right now Guus: I suggest we drop the 'However ...' sentence from the Primer Antoine: OK with me Alistair: OK to drop Tom: OK to drop ACTION: SKOS Editors drop "However, the use of mapping properties might..." sentence from the primer section 3.1 [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html#action10] [adjourned] <ed> TomB, thanks for the detailed look at Primer Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Alistair respond to Felix re: issue-188 [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Guus discuss with Sean editors for the SKOS implementation report [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: SKOS Editors drop "However, the use of mapping properties might..." sentence from the primer section 3.1 [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-swd-minutes.html#action10] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: Guus to look at OWL documents for review [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [47]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [PENDING] ACTION: Sean to report on SKOSED for SKOS implementation report [recorded in [48]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10] [43] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02 [44] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10 [45] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03 [46] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15 [47] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20 [48] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10 [DONE] ACTION: Guus to report on usage of SKOS in vocabularies at VU for SKOS implementation report [recorded in [49]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action09] [49] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action09 [End of minutes] _____________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [50]scribe.perl version 1.133 ([51]CVS log) $Date: 2009/01/27 17:05:28 $ [50] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [51] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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