- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:25:37 -0500
- To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
The record [1] of today's Semantic Web Deployment Working Group telecon is now available. [1] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html Note that the US changes its clocks on 8 March so the next telecon on 10 March is 1 hour earlier for Europeans (and some others). A text snapshot follows: ---- Semantic Web Deployment Working Group 24 Feb 2009 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0058.html See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2009-02-10 [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-irc [4] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html Attendees Present Ralph Swick, Guus Schreiber, Tom Baker, Alistair Miles, Antoine Isaac, Ben Adida, Sean Bechhofer Regrets Margherita Sini, Ed Summers Chair Guus Scribe Ralph Contents * Topics 1. Admin 2. SKOS 3. SKOS Ontology 4. SKOS Primer 5. Implementation Report 6. RDFa 7. Recipes 8. RDFa Metadata Note 9. SWD Review of OWL WDs * Summary of Action Items _____________________________________________________ Admin RESOLVED to accept [16]2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html as minutes of previous telecon [16] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html PROPOSED next telecon 10 March Ralph: note that the telcon time will be at 1500 UTC on March 10 and subsequent ... i.e. 1 hour earlier for Europeans <TomB> +1 RESOLVED next telecon 10 March, 1500 UTC SKOS Ralph: I pinged the chair of I18N yesterday ... no response yet ... but Richard Ishida did ask if we were going to reply to [17]his 2-Feb message ... Felix Sasaki followed that up in [18]public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0011 [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0010.html [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0011.html Guus: we won't be able to solve all the problems of concepts in different languages Alistair: when I read Felix's response he seemed to be explaining the theories of thesaurii in various languages ... so there didn't really seem to be an issue; just a dialog Guus: perhaps making that statement would be an appropriate followup from us ACTION: Alistair look at Richard Ishida and Felix Sasaki's messages in [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/thread .html#msg10 and see if there's an issue [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action01] [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/thread.html#msg10 ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ralph include in the Call for Implementation prose on "feedback on implementations of SKOS Editors and Checkers" [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07] [21] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07 SKOS Ontology ACTION: [DONE] Alistair update the RDF file for response to Magnus Knuth's comment [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action03] [22] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action03 Alistair: I believe I've done this and thought I'd sent mail ... will find that mail -> "[23]Re: ISSUE-190: Last Call Comment: Unicity of prefLabel (comment in SKOS RDF)" [Alistair 2009-02-10] [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0029.html <aliman> thanks ralph, that's it ACTION: [DONE] Antoine raise and close an issue for Magnus Knuth's comment [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action02] [24] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action02 Antoine: action should have read "raise and open" Ralph: yep -> "[25]Re: [SKOS] Re: TR : W3C SKOS Reference Last Call (3 days left in comment period) [ISSUE-189, ISSUE-190]" [Antoine's reply] [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0027.html SKOS Primer Antoine: there might still be updates to the Primer <Antoine> [26]public-esw-thes/2009Feb/0069 [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/2009Feb/0069.html Antoine: Pat Hayes read the Primer and commented on a misleading sentence ... I [27]proposed one rewrite, and Alistair proposed a different one ... then I received mail from Pat accepting my rewrite [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/2009Feb/0069.html Alistair: go ahead with your version ACTION: Antoine provide a pointer to the new Primer Editor's Draft [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action05] Antoine: Pat neglected to cc: his reply to a list, so his approval of my text isn't on a record Guus: just include Pat's reply in your mail Implementation Report Sean: [29]start of implementation report ... best thing is to keep it simple [29] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html ACTION: [DONE] Sean to report on SKOSED for SKOS implementation report [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10] [30] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10 Guus: I think it's OK to close Sean's action given the draft ... [31]dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation is the kind of implement I was hoping for [31] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html Sean: it's hard to pin down some things ... so it's necessarily somewhat informal <seanb> From the OED: wooly: " 6. transf. and fig. Lacking in definiteness or incisiveness; ‘muzzy’; (of the mind, etc.) confused and hazy; (of painting, etc.) lacking in clearness or definition; (of sound, etc.) dull and indistinct." Ralph: Thanks, Sean :) ACTION: Sean move [32]http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html to the WG Wiki [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action07] [32] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html ACTION: Antoine add the Vrieje Uni tool to the implementation report [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action08] RDFa Ben: discussions with the HTML Working Group continue ... it's a bit of a roller coaster ... Manu Sporny has been a good interface with them ... we're exploring the possibility of proposing a new attribute, @prefix, as a way of moving forward on CURIE mappings ... within the Task Force we're close to consensus on adding @prefix, (name not cast in concrete) ... would do the same thing as @xmlns Guus: I'd be in favor of this Ben: the reason for a new attribute is ... ... some parsers will do the right thing with @xmlns accumulating all the prefixes declared up to each point in the document ... other parsers might not do this; it depends on how the DOM tree might be fixed-up ... so it's inconsistent whether one can get at all the @xmlns data with every DOM implementaton ... I've demonstrated working code for every modern browser but it's admittedly a bit messy ... sometimes need to use DOM level 1 calls ... all this is much cleaner if we use some other attribute than @xmlns ... the Task Force hopes to converge very quickly ... thought of perhaps issuing a Note on what we think ought to be done ... but very recently there's some feedback suggesting we propose to revise the RDFa Recommendatoin Ralph: might be able to do this as a Proposed Edited Recommendation ... I'll have to remind myself what review is required for that Ben: we're getting very positive feedback on @prefix unofficially from implementors Guus: if there's any chance of doing this, I'm very much in favor of it <TomB> [35]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr-edited [35] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr-edited Ralph: even if it means extending the Working Group by 1-4 weeks? Guus: certainly Recipes ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15] [36] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15 ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [37] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20 RDFa Metadata Note ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03] [38] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03 SWD Review of OWL WDs ACTION: [DONE] Guus send draft of revised OWL2 response by end of day Tuesday, for WG to review on Wednesday, then send to OWL WG on Thursday [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action13] [39] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action13 -> "[40]LC comments SWD Working Group" [Guus 2009-02-12] [40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0032.html [adjourned] <TomB> [41]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr-edited [41] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr-edited <Ralph> [42]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#correction-cl asses [42] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#correction-classes Ralph: I believe calling the community review of @prefix a "Candidate Rec" would be most consistent with section 7.6.3 Guus: so 2 week CR followed by a 4 week Proposed [Edited] Rec review by the AC? Ben: so it's critical that there are no new features? Ralph: yes Tom: could it be argued that this is a new feature? Ben: it's new syntax for something we already do Guus: should the WG meet next week to discuss this? Ben: the Task Force should have a complete proposal in place with a diff to the current document Guus: is the XHTML2 Working Group agreeing with this proposal? Ralph: that's my sense, yes Guus: so I'll plan to have a proposal for a Proposed Edited Recommendation on 10 March Ralph: let's call the WG and public review "candidate review for a Proposed Edited Recommendation" ... I'll run that terminology past a couple of others here ACTION: [PENDING] Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02] [43] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02 Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Alistair look at Richard Ishida and Felix Sasaki's messages in [44]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/thread .html#msg10 and see if there's an issue [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Antoine add the Vrieje Uni tool to the implementation report [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action08] [NEW] ACTION: Antoine provide a pointer to the new Primer Editor's Draft [recorded in [47]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Sean move [48]http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html to the WG Wiki [recorded in [49]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action07] [44] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/thread.html#msg10 [48] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html [PENDING] ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in [50]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph include in the Call for Implementation prose on "feedback on implementations of SKOS Editors and Checkers" [recorded in [51]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in [52]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in [recorded in [53]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [50] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02 [51] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07 [52] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03 [54] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20 [DONE] ACTION: Alistair update the RDF file for response to Magnus Knuth's comment [recorded in [55]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action03] [DONE] ACTION: Antoine raise and close an issue for Magnus Knuth's comment [recorded in [56]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action02] [DONE] ACTION: Guus send draft of revised OWL2 response by end of day Tuesday, for WG to review on Wednesday, then send to OWL WG on Thursday [recorded in [57]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action13] [DONE] ACTION: Sean to report on SKOSED for SKOS implementation report [recorded in [58]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10] [55] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action03 [56] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action02 [57] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action13 [58] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10 [End of minutes] _____________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [59]scribe.perl version 1.133 ([60]CVS log) $Date: 2009/02/24 17:22:23 $ [59] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [60] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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