- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:25:37 -0500
- To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
The record [1] of today's Semantic Web Deployment Working Group telecon
is now available.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html
Note that the US changes its clocks on 8 March so the next
telecon on 10 March is 1 hour earlier for Europeans (and some others).
A text snapshot follows:
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Semantic Web Deployment Working Group
24 Feb 2009
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0058.html
See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2009-02-10
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-irc
[4] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html
Attendees
Present
Ralph Swick, Guus Schreiber, Tom Baker, Alistair Miles,
Antoine Isaac, Ben Adida, Sean Bechhofer
Regrets
Margherita Sini, Ed Summers
Chair
Guus
Scribe
Ralph
Contents
* Topics
1. Admin
2. SKOS
3. SKOS Ontology
4. SKOS Primer
5. Implementation Report
6. RDFa
7. Recipes
8. RDFa Metadata Note
9. SWD Review of OWL WDs
* Summary of Action Items
_____________________________________________________
Admin
RESOLVED to accept [16]2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html as minutes of
previous telecon
[16] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html
PROPOSED next telecon 10 March
Ralph: note that the telcon time will be at 1500 UTC on March 10 and
subsequent
... i.e. 1 hour earlier for Europeans
<TomB> +1
RESOLVED next telecon 10 March, 1500 UTC
SKOS
Ralph: I pinged the chair of I18N yesterday
... no response yet
... but Richard Ishida did ask if we were going to reply to [17]his
2-Feb message
... Felix Sasaki followed that up in [18]public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0011
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0010.html
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0011.html
Guus: we won't be able to solve all the problems of concepts in
different languages
Alistair: when I read Felix's response he seemed to be explaining
the theories of thesaurii in various languages
... so there didn't really seem to be an issue; just a dialog
Guus: perhaps making that statement would be an appropriate followup
from us
ACTION: Alistair look at Richard Ishida and Felix Sasaki's messages
in
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/thread
.html#msg10 and see if there's an issue [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/thread.html#msg10
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ralph include in the Call for Implementation
prose on "feedback on implementations of SKOS Editors and Checkers"
[recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07
SKOS Ontology
ACTION: [DONE] Alistair update the RDF file for response to Magnus
Knuth's comment [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action03
Alistair: I believe I've done this and thought I'd sent mail
... will find that mail
-> "[23]Re: ISSUE-190: Last Call Comment: Unicity of prefLabel
(comment in SKOS RDF)" [Alistair 2009-02-10]
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0029.html
<aliman> thanks ralph, that's it
ACTION: [DONE] Antoine raise and close an issue for Magnus Knuth's
comment [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action02
Antoine: action should have read "raise and open"
Ralph: yep
-> "[25]Re: [SKOS] Re: TR : W3C SKOS Reference Last Call (3 days
left in comment period) [ISSUE-189, ISSUE-190]" [Antoine's reply]
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0027.html
SKOS Primer
Antoine: there might still be updates to the Primer
<Antoine> [26]public-esw-thes/2009Feb/0069
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/2009Feb/0069.html
Antoine: Pat Hayes read the Primer and commented on a misleading
sentence
... I [27]proposed one rewrite, and Alistair proposed a different
one
... then I received mail from Pat accepting my rewrite
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/2009Feb/0069.html
Alistair: go ahead with your version
ACTION: Antoine provide a pointer to the new Primer Editor's Draft
[recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action05]
Antoine: Pat neglected to cc: his reply to a list, so his approval
of my text isn't on a record
Guus: just include Pat's reply in your mail
Implementation Report
Sean: [29]start of implementation report
... best thing is to keep it simple
[29] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html
ACTION: [DONE] Sean to report on SKOSED for SKOS implementation
report [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10
Guus: I think it's OK to close Sean's action given the draft
... [31]dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation is the kind of
implement I was hoping for
[31] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html
Sean: it's hard to pin down some things
... so it's necessarily somewhat informal
<seanb> From the OED: wooly: " 6. transf. and fig. Lacking in
definiteness or incisiveness; ‘muzzy’; (of the mind, etc.) confused
and hazy; (of painting, etc.) lacking in clearness or definition;
(of sound, etc.) dull and indistinct."
Ralph: Thanks, Sean :)
ACTION: Sean move
[32]http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html to the
WG Wiki [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[32] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html
ACTION: Antoine add the Vrieje Uni tool to the implementation report
[recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action08]
RDFa
Ben: discussions with the HTML Working Group continue
... it's a bit of a roller coaster
... Manu Sporny has been a good interface with them
... we're exploring the possibility of proposing a new attribute,
@prefix, as a way of moving forward on CURIE mappings
... within the Task Force we're close to consensus on adding
@prefix, (name not cast in concrete)
... would do the same thing as @xmlns
Guus: I'd be in favor of this
Ben: the reason for a new attribute is ...
... some parsers will do the right thing with @xmlns accumulating
all the prefixes declared up to each point in the document
... other parsers might not do this; it depends on how the DOM tree
might be fixed-up
... so it's inconsistent whether one can get at all the @xmlns data
with every DOM implementaton
... I've demonstrated working code for every modern browser but it's
admittedly a bit messy
... sometimes need to use DOM level 1 calls
... all this is much cleaner if we use some other attribute than
@xmlns
... the Task Force hopes to converge very quickly
... thought of perhaps issuing a Note on what we think ought to be
done
... but very recently there's some feedback suggesting we propose to
revise the RDFa Recommendatoin
Ralph: might be able to do this as a Proposed Edited Recommendation
... I'll have to remind myself what review is required for that
Ben: we're getting very positive feedback on @prefix unofficially
from implementors
Guus: if there's any chance of doing this, I'm very much in favor of
it
<TomB>
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr-edited
[35] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr-edited
Ralph: even if it means extending the Working Group by 1-4 weeks?
Guus: certainly
Recipes
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft
[recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation
[of Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[37] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
RDFa Metadata Note
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of
the metadata note [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[38] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03
SWD Review of OWL WDs
ACTION: [DONE] Guus send draft of revised OWL2 response by end of
day Tuesday, for WG to review on Wednesday, then send to OWL WG on
Thursday [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[39] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action13
-> "[40]LC comments SWD Working Group" [Guus 2009-02-12]
[40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0032.html
[adjourned]
<TomB>
[41]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr-edited
[41] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr-edited
<Ralph>
[42]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#correction-cl
asses
[42] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#correction-classes
Ralph: I believe calling the community review of @prefix a
"Candidate Rec" would be most consistent with section 7.6.3
Guus: so 2 week CR followed by a 4 week Proposed [Edited] Rec review
by the AC?
Ben: so it's critical that there are no new features?
Ralph: yes
Tom: could it be argued that this is a new feature?
Ben: it's new syntax for something we already do
Guus: should the WG meet next week to discuss this?
Ben: the Task Force should have a complete proposal in place with a
diff to the current document
Guus: is the XHTML2 Working Group agreeing with this proposal?
Ralph: that's my sense, yes
Guus: so I'll plan to have a proposal for a Proposed Edited
Recommendation on 10 March
Ralph: let's call the WG and public review "candidate review for a
Proposed Edited Recommendation"
... I'll run that terminology past a couple of others here
ACTION: [PENDING] Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition
to Group Note [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[43] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair look at Richard Ishida and Felix Sasaki's
messages in
[44]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/thread
.html#msg10 and see if there's an issue [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine add the Vrieje Uni tool to the implementation
report [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine provide a pointer to the new Primer Editor's
Draft [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Sean move
[48]http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html to the
WG Wiki [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[44] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/thread.html#msg10
[48] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition
to Group Note [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph include in the Call for Implementation prose
on "feedback on implementations of SKOS Editors and Checkers"
[recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of
the metadata note [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft
[recorded in [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[50] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
[51] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07
[52] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03
[54] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
[DONE] ACTION: Alistair update the RDF file for response to Magnus
Knuth's comment [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Antoine raise and close an issue for Magnus Knuth's
comment [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus send draft of revised OWL2 response by end of
day Tuesday, for WG to review on Wednesday, then send to OWL WG on
Thursday [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[DONE] ACTION: Sean to report on SKOSED for SKOS implementation
report [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[55] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action03
[56] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action02
[57] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action13
[58] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10
[End of minutes]
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