Re: Transition Request: SKOS to Proposed Recommendation

Dear Alistair,

that resolves my concerns, thank you very much. Due to summer holidays I
would propose that you regard this as accepted by the i18n core working
group if you don't hear from others within 24 hours.

Regards,

Felix

2009/8/13 Alistair Miles <alimanfoo@gmail.com>

> Dear Felix,
>
> At its last telecon [1] the SWDWG made the following resolution w.r.t
> [ISSUE-224]:
>
> RESOLVED to resolve ISSUE-224 by deleting the final paragraph of
> section 6.5.4 (from "Usually a notation system does not have...") and
> example 22
>
> This removes any mention or suggestion of the use of language subtags
> for notations from the SKOS Reference.
>
> I have implemented this resolution in a new revision (1.20) of the
> SKOS Reference Editors' Draft at [2].
>
> We believe this should satisfy all of the concerns raised by the I18N
> WG. We would be very grateful if the I18N WG could state whether it
> finds the resolution acceptable as soon as possible.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Alistair
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html#item02
> [ISSUE-224<http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html#item02%0A%5BISSUE-224>]
> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/224
> [2] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 02:12:29PM +0200, Felix Sasaki wrote:
> > Dear Alistair (personal response and response as AC of University of
> Applied
> > Sciences Potsdam),
> >
> > I do not agree with your resolution. You need to take out all examples
> and
> > suggestions for using language subtags for notations, syntactic
> modification
> > of the examples is not enough. As Martin and me pointed out before, using
> > language tags for non-language items like notations is a very bad
> > suggestion, hindering the application of SKOS for multilingual data in
> the
> > future.
> >
> > Regards, Felix.
> >
> > 2009/7/31 Alistair Miles <alimanfoo@gmail.com>
> >
> > > Dear Addison,
> > >
> > > Thank you for raising this issue, apologies for the delayed response.
> > >
> > > The SWDWG discussed this issue [1] at its teleconference on 7 July [2]
> > > and made the following resolution:
> > >
> > > RESOLUTION: We (a) modify the example(s) in [SKOS Reference section]
> > > 6.5.4 to be syntactically conformant to BCP 47 and (b) offer to add a
> > > phrase such as "note that such use of private subtags to transmit data
> > > unrelated to language or language choice may violate BCP 47"
> > > contingent on Alistair and Sean's agreeing
> > >
> > > Both Sean [3] and myself find this resolution acceptable.
> > >
> > > Could you please indicate whether this resolution is sufficient to
> > > meet your concerns. We realise this is short notice, but we would be
> > > extremely grateful if you could respond with approval by 10 August, or
> > > with any further concerns as soon as possible.
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > >
> > > Alistair
> > >
> > > [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/224
> > > [2] http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-swd-minutes.html#item04
> > > [3]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jul/0014.html
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 02:23:14PM -0700, Phillips, Addison wrote:
> > > > The Internationalization Core WG has a problem with this document
> that
> > > should be corrected before a transition is approved. This was discussed
> > > during our most recent teleconference [1] in response to comments by
> Felix
> > > Sasaki [2] (and others, in that thread).
> > > >
> > > > During Last Call, I18N did review this document and made comments
> about
> > > the use of BCP 47 language tags for language identification in the
> prefLabel
> > > construct. I18N was satisfied by these changes. However, for whatever
> > > reason, we did not notice that there were several problematic uses of
> the
> > > prefLabel language tags elsewhere in the reference document.
> Specifically,
> > > section 6.5.4 proposes to use language tags for additional uses. We
> have the
> > > following concerns:
> > > >
> > > > 1. The language tag examples do not meet IETF BCP 47 "well-formed"
> > > criteria. BCP 47 language tags limit subtag length to eight characters.
> The
> > > examples in 6.5.4 are syntactically wrong as they are longer than eight
> > > characters per subtag.
> > > >
> > > > 2. BCP 47 specifically recommends against using private-use subtags
> when
> > > other mechanisms exist for data interchange. Use of private use subtags
> to
> > > transmit data unrelated to language or language choice is frowned upon.
> The
> > > examples given seem to confuse this or be in violation of this. We
> think
> > > they need to be clarified and clarified in a way that removes the
> private
> > > use subtags.
> > > >
> > > > Note that, although the IESG recently approved an update to RFC 4646
> > > (part of BCP 47), this change has no impact on this specification or
> our
> > > comments. We apologize for having missed this and think that the
> reference
> > > and the related primer should (and can easily) be updated to address
> this
> > > issue.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Addison (for I18N Core WG)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-core-minutes.html
> > > > [2]
> > >
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2009AprJun/0068.html
> > > >
> > > > Addison Phillips
> > > > Globalization Architect -- Lab126
> > > > Chair -- W3C Internationalization WG
> > > >
> > > > Internationalization is not a feature.
> > > > It is an architecture.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: chairs-request@w3.org [mailto:chairs-request@w3.org] On
> > > > > Behalf Of Guus Schreiber
> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:44 PM
> > > > > To: Tim Berners-Lee; Steve Bratt; plh@w3.org
> > > > > Cc: w3t-comm@w3.org; chairs@w3.org; SWCG; SWD WG
> > > > > Subject: Transition Request: SKOS to Proposed Recommendation
> > > > >
> > > > > Director,
> > > > >
> > > > > The Semantic Web Deployment Working Group requests transition to
> > > > > Proposed
> > > > > Recommendation for
> > > > >
> > > > >    SKOS Simple Knowledge Organization System Reference
> > > > >    [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-skos-reference-20090317/
> > > > >
> > > > > The updated editor's draft can be found at:
> > > > >
> > > > >    [2] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/
> > > > > (Revision 1.13)
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposed STOD section reads as follows:
> > > > >
> > > > > [[
> > > > >     This document is a W3C Proposed Recommendation published by the
> > > > >     Semantic Web Deployment Working Group, part of the W3C Semantic
> > > > > Web
> > > > >     Activity.  This document reflects editorial changes arising
> > > > > during
> > > > >     the Candidate Recommendation review, summarized in the Changes
> > > > >     section.  An implementation report documents known uses of SKOS
> > > > >     during the Candidate Recommendation review period.  An updated
> > > > >     SKOS Primer Working Draft is being published concurrently with
> > > > > this
> > > > >     Proposed Recommendation.
> > > > >
> > > > >     Comments on this document may be addressed to
> > > > >     public-swd-wg@w3.org. Please include the text "SKOS
> > > > >     comment" in the subject line. All comments sent to that address
> > > > >     are available in a public archive.
> > > > > ]]
> > > > >
> > > > > The record of the WG decision to request this transition is at:
> > > > >
> > > > >    [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-swd-minutes.html#item03
> > > > >
> > > > > No substantive issues were raised during CR, though a few comments
> > > > > resulted in
> > > > > editorial clarifications to the specification. Three CR comments
> > > > > were received
> > > > > and resolved, namely:
> > > > >
> > > > >      ISSUE-191: missing bracket in example 44
> > > > >      http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/192
> > > > >
> > > > >      ISSUE-218: editorial errors and problems (Ch. 1)
> > > > >      http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/218
> > > > >
> > > > >      ISSUE-219: name
> > > > >      http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/219
> > > > >
> > > > > Changes from the Candidate Recommendation version are given in the
> > > > > "Changes"
> > > > > section of editors draft:
> > > > >
> > > > >    [4]
> > > > > http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/#changes
> > > > >
> > > > > There were no features at risk.
> > > > >
> > > > > The requirements have not changed since Candidate Recommendation.
> > > > >
> > > > > This specification has no normative references to W3C
> > > > > specifications that are
> > > > > not yet Proposed Recommendations.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Groups' implementation report [5] lists 27 implementations with
> > > > > a broad
> > > > > coverage of SKOS features.  All comments have received formal
> > > > > responses; these
> > > > > are recorded in the issue tracker [6].
> > > > >
> > > > >    [5]
> > > > >
> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/implementatio
> > > > > n.html
> > > > >    [6] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues
> > > > >
> > > > >   The specification has therefore met the CR exit criteria:
> > > > >
> > > > > [[
> > > > >     1. At least two implementations have been demonstrated that use
> > > > >        features of the SKOS vocabulary.  Other vocabularies that
> > > > > use
> > > > >        SKOS are candidates for inclusion in the implementation
> > > > > report.
> > > > >     2. All issues raised during the CR period against this document
> > > > >        have received formal responses.
> > > > > ]]
> > > > >
> > > > > There have been no formal objections.
> > > > >
> > > > > There have been no changes to the patent disclosure pages since the
> > > > > transition
> > > > > to Candidate Recommendation. There are no open exclusion
> > > > > opportunities.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Working Group intends to publish an updated version of the SKOS
> > > > > Primer
> > > > > Working Draft [7] at the same time as this Proposed Recommendation.
> > > > >
> > > > >    [7] http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas Baker
> > > > > Guus Schreiber
> > > > > co-chairs Semantic Web Deployment WG
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Alistair Miles
> > > The Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics
> > > Roosevelt Drive
> > > Oxford
> > > OX3 7BN
> > > United Kingdom
> > > Web: http://purl.org/net/aliman
> > > Email: alimanfoo@gmail.com **note change of email address**
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Alistair Miles
> The Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics
> Roosevelt Drive
> Oxford
> OX3 7BN
> United Kingdom
> Web: http://purl.org/net/aliman
> Email: alimanfoo@gmail.com **note change of email address**
>
>