- From: Ed Summers <ehs@pobox.com>
- Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:55:43 -0500
- To: "SWD Working Group" <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
The record of Tuesday's SemWeb Deployment WG telecon is ready for review at: http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html Topics: 1. Admin 2. SKOS 3. RDFa 4. Recipes 5. Vocabulary Management 6. AOB Summary of Action Items: [NEW] ACTION: diego to update deliverables page w/r/t recipes document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action20] [NEW] ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to sean palmer's suggestion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11] [PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom [regarding maintenance of wiki document http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] ACTION: Diego to recast Recipe 6 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and add to the issue list. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01] [PENDING] ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes document. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action08] [PENDING] ACTION: Jon to add words that acknowledge the existence of RDFa as [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action06] [PENDING] ACTION: Jon to make changes as proposed [with regard to Issue-23] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for Recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of isDefinedBy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for review in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING] ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03] [DONE] ACTION: Ed to send review to SWEO by next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13] [DONE] ACTION: Guus/Tom to propose joint decisions for reviews for major [RDFa] steps/transition requests. Informal agreement about working drafts. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action02] The full text of the minutes follows: ------------------------------- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ SWD WG 27 Nov 2007 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0068.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-irc Attendees Present TomB, Edsu, Jon_Phipps, Ralph, Justin, Antoine_Isaac, Guus_Schreiber, Diego Regrets Clay, Vit, Quentin, Alistair, Simone, Sean, Elisa Chair Tom Scribe ed Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Admin 2. [6]SKOS 3. [7]RDFa 4. [8]Recipes 5. [9]Vocabulary Management 6. [10]AOB * [11]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ Previous: [12]2007-11-20 [12] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html Admin RESOLVED to accept minutes of the Nov 20 telecon: [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html [13] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html Tom: just updated scribe duty file on the wiki, will post to the list to see who can scribe <Ralph> [14]ScribeDuty [14] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/ScribeDuty SKOS Tom: alistair and sean are not here to report on the reference <scribe> ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES] [15] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02 <scribe> ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03] [CONTINUES] [16] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03 Tom: how about the SKOS Primer? <Ralph> [I presume the Jan, Feb, and Apr dates in "Schedule for SKOS deliverables" in the agenda are really 2008, not 2007] Antoine: we started the process sharing an html document ... we plan to reuse the existing material from the SKOS Core Guide <Tom> [RalphS, yes 2008...!] Antoine: some extension of the material is also needed ... i'd like to follow the approach of the rdfa primer ... basic uses first, and then introduce more advanced stuff for skos, mapping links, relationship between labels, grouping of concepts into collections Tom: i thought it would be interesting to have a discussion about the skos extension module <scribe> ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05] [CONTINUES] [17] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05 <Ralph> [Antoine's plan for the primer sounds good to me. One challenge is to decide how far to go in showing 'advanced' concepts. A thick primer apparently makes some people concerned.] Justin: is the plan to publish SKOS Primer as a Note? ... have found in other w3 activities that publishing as an article can sometimes be useful ... sometimes having all the technical front matter can get in the way of understanding Ralph: can you cite an example of how to do this right? Justin: Web Content Accessibility Overview Antoine: that would be interesting Justin: will send links to list Antoine: do you think the existing SKOS Core guide will serve as a good example of what we should do? ... is it too complex? Justin: I think because it's wrapped in a technical report format it's harder to dive into Tom: if you could send some feedback along those lines to Antoine that would be useful <scribe> ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES] [18] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04 <scribe> ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and add to the issue list. [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES] [19] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01 <scribe> ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of isDefinedBy [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES] [20] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02 RDFa <scribe> ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom [regarding maintenance of wiki document [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action14] [CONTINUES] [21] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa [22] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action14 <scribe> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03] [CONTINUES] [23] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03 Ralph: did the schedule get updated? ... yeah, i guess it needs to be updated <scribe> ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule] [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES] [24] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule [25] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04 <scribe> ACTION: Guus/Tom to propose joint decisions for reviews for major [RDFa] steps/transition requests. Informal agreement about working drafts. [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action17] [DONE] [26] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action17 Ralph: there's still a divergence of opinion on how the instanceof syntax should work ... we're guessing how people would 'naturally' interpret some markup ... there's two different approaches that seem obvious to different sets of people ... trying to figure out whether some use cases are hard to implement with one or the other Tom: what's coming down the pipe w/ transition requests Ralph: the only major stumbling block is the interpretation of instanceof Tom: sean palmer made a suggestion on RDFa and user agents [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0056.h tml [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0056.html Ralph: we should respond <Ralph> Sean's message is related to -> [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/28 issue 28 "Follow your nose" [28] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/28 Tom: can we take an action for the taskforce to respond? <scribe> ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to sean palmer's suggestion [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11] Recipes <scribe> ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects [recorded in [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action18] [CONTINUES] [30] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action18 <berrueta> [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/BestPracticeRecipe6 <-- recipe 6 recasted as an implementation pattern [31] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/BestPracticeRecipe6 berrueta: would be happy to get some feedback ... will post to the mailing list <guus> [sry, phone out of batteries] <scribe> ACTION: Diego to recast Recipe 6 [recorded in [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action19] [CONTINUES] [32] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action19 <scribe> ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes document. [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action20] [CONTINUES] [33] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action20 <scribe> ACTION: Jon to add words that acknowledge the existence of RDFa as [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action21] [CONTINUES] [34] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action21 <scribe> ACTION: Jon to make changes as proposed [with regard to Issue-23] [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action22] [CONTINUES] [35] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action22 <scribe> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action23] [CONTINUES] [36] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action23 <scribe> ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for Recipes [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action24] [CONTINUES] [37] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action24 <scribe> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes] [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action25] [CONTINUES] [38] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action25 <Ralph> [sigh -- I had planned to make progress on at least one of my actions before this call, but failed at that] Tom: i think the deliverables page needs to reflect that December is a target for the Recipes document Ralph: sounds like something that was decided at f2f berrueta: i think so JonP: we'll work on it some this week I think Tom: lets keep december as a target for having a version of recipes to review ... we need an action to update the deliverables page <scribe> ACTION: diego to update deliverables page w/r/t recipes document [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action20] Ralph: it will be useful to have an updated recipes document ... tim seems to think there are a number of things wrong with the current document ... he wondered if the current working draft should be retracted ... so there's at least one person that thinks that it might be causing more confusion that not JonP: we don't have a solution to the most significant problem that he raised -- conditional redirects ... that's the one danbri is tasked to speak to apache about Ralph: we can note in the recipe that there is a problem JonP: the urgency is noted :) <scribe> ACTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for review in [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action26] [CONTINUES] [40] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action26 Vocabulary Management <scribe> ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07] [CONTINUES] [41] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07 AOB <Ralph> [42]SWEO requests input on SKOS message [19] [42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0030.html [19] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01 <Ralph> [43]Ed's post to SWEO [26] [43] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007Nov/0036.html [26] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action17 <scribe> ACTION: Ed to send review to SWEO by next telecon [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13] [DONE] [44] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13 Tom: meeting is adjourned Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: diego to update deliverables page w/r/t recipes document [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action20] [NEW] ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to sean palmer's suggestion [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11] [PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in [47]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users [recorded in [48]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom [regarding maintenance of wiki document [49]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in [50]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [51]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki [52]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule] [recorded in [53]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects [recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] ACTION: Diego to recast Recipe 6 [recorded in [55]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and add to the issue list. [recorded in [56]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01] [PENDING] ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes document. [recorded in [57]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action08] [PENDING] ACTION: Jon to add words that acknowledge the existence of RDFa as [recorded in [58]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action06] [PENDING] ACTION: Jon to make changes as proposed [with regard to Issue-23] [recorded in [59]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in [60]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in [61]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for Recipes [recorded in [62]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of isDefinedBy [recorded in [63]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes] [recorded in [64]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for review in [recorded in [65]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING] ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in [66]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in [67]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03] [47] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04 [48] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05 [49] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa [50] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05 [51] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03 [52] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule [53] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04 [54] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07 [55] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action02 [56] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01 [57] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action08 [58] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action06 [59] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action05 [60] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02 [61] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14 [62] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04 [63] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02 [64] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03 [65] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action09 [66] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07 [67] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03 [DONE] ACTION: Ed to send review to SWEO by next telecon [recorded in [68]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13] [DONE] ACTION: Guus/Tom to propose joint decisions for reviews for major [RDFa] steps/transition requests. Informal agreement about working drafts. [recorded in [69]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action02] [68] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13 [69] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action02 [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [70]scribe.perl version 1.128 ([71]CVS log) $Date: 2007/11/28 21:10:39 $ [70] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [71] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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