Meeting record: 2007-11-27 SWD telecon

The record of Tuesday's SemWeb Deployment WG telecon is ready for review at:

  http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html

Topics:

  1. Admin
  2. SKOS
  3. RDFa
  4. Recipes
  5. Vocabulary Management
  6. AOB

Summary of Action Items:

   [NEW] ACTION: diego to update deliverables page w/r/t recipes
   document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action20]
   [NEW] ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to sean palmer's
   suggestion [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next
   week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on
   relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom
   [regarding maintenance of wiki document
   http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in
   [http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for
   RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki
   http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule]
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Diego to recast Recipe 6 [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and
   add to the issue list. [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes
   document. [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action08]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Jon to add words that acknowledge the existence of
   RDFa as [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action06]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Jon to make changes as proposed [with regard to
   Issue-23] [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default
   behavior" [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for
   Recipes [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of
   isDefinedBy [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
   Recipes] [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03]
   [PENDING] ACTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for
   review in [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the
   target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and
   potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]

   [DONE] ACTION: Ed to send review to SWEO by next telecon [recorded
   in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13]
   [DONE] ACTION: Guus/Tom to propose joint decisions for reviews for
   major [RDFa] steps/transition requests. Informal agreement about
   working drafts. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action02]

The full text of the minutes follows:

-------------------------------

   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                                SWD WG

27 Nov 2007

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0068.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-irc

Attendees

   Present
          TomB, Edsu, Jon_Phipps, Ralph, Justin, Antoine_Isaac,
          Guus_Schreiber, Diego

   Regrets
          Clay, Vit, Quentin, Alistair, Simone, Sean, Elisa

   Chair
          Tom

   Scribe
          ed

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Admin
         2. [6]SKOS
         3. [7]RDFa
         4. [8]Recipes
         5. [9]Vocabulary Management
         6. [10]AOB
     * [11]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________


   Previous: [12]2007-11-20

     [12] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html

Admin

   RESOLVED to accept minutes of the Nov 20 telecon:
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html

     [13] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html

   Tom: just updated scribe duty file on the wiki, will post to the
   list to see who can scribe

   <Ralph> [14]ScribeDuty

     [14] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/ScribeDuty

SKOS

   Tom: alistair and sean are not here to report on the reference

   <scribe> ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
   [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02]
   [CONTINUES]

     [15] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02

   <scribe> ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
   [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
   [CONTINUES]

     [16] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03

   Tom: how about the SKOS Primer?

   <Ralph> [I presume the Jan, Feb, and Apr dates in "Schedule for SKOS
   deliverables" in the agenda are really 2008, not 2007]

   Antoine: we started the process sharing an html document
   ... we plan to reuse the existing material from the SKOS Core Guide

   <Tom> [RalphS, yes 2008...!]

   Antoine: some extension of the material is also needed
   ... i'd like to follow the approach of the rdfa primer
   ... basic uses first, and then introduce more advanced stuff for
   skos, mapping links, relationship between labels, grouping of
   concepts into collections

   Tom: i thought it would be interesting to have a discussion about
   the skos extension module

   <scribe> ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on
   relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users
   [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
   [CONTINUES]

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05

   <Ralph> [Antoine's plan for the primer sounds good to me. One
   challenge is to decide how far to go in showing 'advanced' concepts.
   A thick primer apparently makes some people concerned.]

   Justin: is the plan to publish SKOS Primer as a Note?
   ... have found in other w3 activities that publishing as an article
   can sometimes be useful
   ... sometimes having all the technical front matter can get in the
   way of understanding

   Ralph: can you cite an example of how to do this right?

   Justin: Web Content Accessibility Overview

   Antoine: that would be interesting

   Justin: will send links to list

   Antoine: do you think the existing SKOS Core guide will serve as a
   good example of what we should do?
   ... is it too complex?

   Justin: I think because it's wrapped in a technical report format
   it's harder to dive into

   Tom: if you could send some feedback along those lines to Antoine
   that would be useful

   <scribe> ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next week
   on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
   [CONTINUES]

     [18] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04

   <scribe> ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and
   add to the issue list. [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
   [CONTINUES]

     [19] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01

   <scribe> ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of
   isDefinedBy [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
   [CONTINUES]

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02

RDFa

   <scribe> ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom
   [regarding maintenance of wiki document
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action14]
   [CONTINUES]

     [21] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa
     [22] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action14

   <scribe> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa
   (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
   [CONTINUES]

     [23] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03

   Ralph: did the schedule get updated?
   ... yeah, i guess it needs to be updated

   <scribe> ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule]
   [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
   [CONTINUES]

     [24] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule
     [25] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04

   <scribe> ACTION: Guus/Tom to propose joint decisions for reviews for
   major [RDFa] steps/transition requests. Informal agreement about
   working drafts. [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action17] [DONE]

     [26] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action17

   Ralph: there's still a divergence of opinion on how the instanceof
   syntax should work
   ... we're guessing how people would 'naturally' interpret some
   markup
   ... there's two different approaches that seem obvious to different
   sets of people
   ... trying to figure out whether some use cases are hard to
   implement with one or the other

   Tom: what's coming down the pipe w/ transition requests

   Ralph: the only major stumbling block is the interpretation of
   instanceof

   Tom: sean palmer made a suggestion on RDFa and user agents

   [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0056.h
   tml

     [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0056.html

   Ralph: we should respond

   <Ralph> Sean's message is related to ->
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/28 issue 28 "Follow
   your nose"

     [28] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/28

   Tom: can we take an action for the taskforce to respond?

   <scribe> ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to sean palmer's
   suggestion [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11]

Recipes

   <scribe> ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects
   [recorded in [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action18]
   [CONTINUES]

     [30] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action18

   <berrueta>
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/BestPracticeRecipe6 <--
   recipe 6 recasted as an implementation pattern

     [31] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/BestPracticeRecipe6

   berrueta: would be happy to get some feedback
   ... will post to the mailing list

   <guus> [sry, phone out of batteries]

   <scribe> ACTION: Diego to recast Recipe 6 [recorded in [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action19]
   [CONTINUES]

     [32] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action19

   <scribe> ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes
   document. [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action20]
   [CONTINUES]

     [33] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action20

   <scribe> ACTION: Jon to add words that acknowledge the existence of
   RDFa as [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action21]
   [CONTINUES]

     [34] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action21

   <scribe> ACTION: Jon to make changes as proposed [with regard to
   Issue-23] [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action22]
   [CONTINUES]

     [35] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action22

   <scribe> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default
   behavior" [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action23]
   [CONTINUES]

     [36] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action23

   <scribe> ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for
   Recipes [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action24]
   [CONTINUES]

     [37] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action24

   <scribe> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
   Recipes] [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action25]
   [CONTINUES]

     [38] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action25

   <Ralph> [sigh -- I had planned to make progress on at least one of
   my actions before this call, but failed at that]

   Tom: i think the deliverables page needs to reflect that December is
   a target for the Recipes document

   Ralph: sounds like something that was decided at f2f

   berrueta: i think so

   JonP: we'll work on it some this week I think

   Tom: lets keep december as a target for having a version of recipes
   to review
   ... we need an action to update the deliverables page

   <scribe> ACTION: diego to update deliverables page w/r/t recipes
   document [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action20]

   Ralph: it will be useful to have an updated recipes document
   ... tim seems to think there are a number of things wrong with the
   current document
   ... he wondered if the current working draft should be retracted
   ... so there's at least one person that thinks that it might be
   causing more confusion that not

   JonP: we don't have a solution to the most significant problem that
   he raised -- conditional redirects
   ... that's the one danbri is tasked to speak to apache about

   Ralph: we can note in the recipe that there is a problem

   JonP: the urgency is noted :)

   <scribe> ACTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for
   review in [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action26]
   [CONTINUES]

     [40] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action26

Vocabulary Management

   <scribe> ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the
   target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and
   potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
   [CONTINUES]

     [41] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07

AOB

   <Ralph> [42]SWEO requests input on SKOS message [19]

     [42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0030.html
     [19] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01

   <Ralph> [43]Ed's post to SWEO [26]

     [43] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007Nov/0036.html
     [26] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action17

   <scribe> ACTION: Ed to send review to SWEO by next telecon [recorded
   in [44]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13]
   [DONE]

     [44] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13

   Tom: meeting is adjourned

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: diego to update deliverables page w/r/t recipes
   document [recorded in
   [45]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action20]
   [NEW] ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to sean palmer's
   suggestion [recorded in
   [46]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next
   week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in
   [47]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on
   relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users
   [recorded in
   [48]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom
   [regarding maintenance of wiki document
   [49]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in
   [50]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for
   RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in
   [51]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki
   [52]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule]
   [recorded in
   [53]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects
   [recorded in
   [54]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Diego to recast Recipe 6 [recorded in
   [55]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and
   add to the issue list. [recorded in
   [56]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes
   document. [recorded in
   [57]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action08]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Jon to add words that acknowledge the existence of
   RDFa as [recorded in
   [58]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action06]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Jon to make changes as proposed [with regard to
   Issue-23] [recorded in
   [59]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
   [recorded in
   [60]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default
   behavior" [recorded in
   [61]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for
   Recipes [recorded in
   [62]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of
   isDefinedBy [recorded in
   [63]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
   Recipes] [recorded in
   [64]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03]
   [PENDING] ACTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for
   review in [recorded in
   [65]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the
   target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and
   potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in
   [66]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
   [recorded in
   [67]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]

     [47] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04
     [48] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05
     [49] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa
     [50] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05
     [51] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03
     [52] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule
     [53] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04
     [54] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07
     [55] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action02
     [56] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01
     [57] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action08
     [58] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action06
     [59] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action05
     [60] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02
     [61] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
     [62] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04
     [63] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
     [64] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03
     [65] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action09
     [66] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07
     [67] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03

   [DONE] ACTION: Ed to send review to SWEO by next telecon [recorded
   in [68]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13]
   [DONE] ACTION: Guus/Tom to propose joint decisions for reviews for
   major [RDFa] steps/transition requests. Informal agreement about
   working drafts. [recorded in
   [69]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action02]

     [68] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13
     [69] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action02

   [End of minutes]
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