- From: Ed Summers <ehs@pobox.com>
- Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:55:43 -0500
- To: "SWD Working Group" <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
The record of Tuesday's SemWeb Deployment WG telecon is ready for review at:
http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html
Topics:
1. Admin
2. SKOS
3. RDFa
4. Recipes
5. Vocabulary Management
6. AOB
Summary of Action Items:
[NEW] ACTION: diego to update deliverables page w/r/t recipes
document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to sean palmer's
suggestion [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next
week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on
relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom
[regarding maintenance of wiki document
http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for
RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki
http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule]
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Diego to recast Recipe 6 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and
add to the issue list. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes
document. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jon to add words that acknowledge the existence of
RDFa as [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jon to make changes as proposed [with regard to
Issue-23] [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default
behavior" [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for
Recipes [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of
isDefinedBy [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes] [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for
review in [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the
target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and
potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Ed to send review to SWEO by next telecon [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus/Tom to propose joint decisions for reviews for
major [RDFa] steps/transition requests. Informal agreement about
working drafts. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action02]
The full text of the minutes follows:
-------------------------------
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
SWD WG
27 Nov 2007
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0068.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-irc
Attendees
Present
TomB, Edsu, Jon_Phipps, Ralph, Justin, Antoine_Isaac,
Guus_Schreiber, Diego
Regrets
Clay, Vit, Quentin, Alistair, Simone, Sean, Elisa
Chair
Tom
Scribe
ed
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]SKOS
3. [7]RDFa
4. [8]Recipes
5. [9]Vocabulary Management
6. [10]AOB
* [11]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Previous: [12]2007-11-20
[12] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html
Admin
RESOLVED to accept minutes of the Nov 20 telecon:
[13]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html
[13] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html
Tom: just updated scribe duty file on the wiki, will post to the
list to see who can scribe
<Ralph> [14]ScribeDuty
[14] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/ScribeDuty
SKOS
Tom: alistair and sean are not here to report on the reference
<scribe> ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02
<scribe> ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[CONTINUES]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03
Tom: how about the SKOS Primer?
<Ralph> [I presume the Jan, Feb, and Apr dates in "Schedule for SKOS
deliverables" in the agenda are really 2008, not 2007]
Antoine: we started the process sharing an html document
... we plan to reuse the existing material from the SKOS Core Guide
<Tom> [RalphS, yes 2008...!]
Antoine: some extension of the material is also needed
... i'd like to follow the approach of the rdfa primer
... basic uses first, and then introduce more advanced stuff for
skos, mapping links, relationship between labels, grouping of
concepts into collections
Tom: i thought it would be interesting to have a discussion about
the skos extension module
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on
relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[CONTINUES]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05
<Ralph> [Antoine's plan for the primer sounds good to me. One
challenge is to decide how far to go in showing 'advanced' concepts.
A thick primer apparently makes some people concerned.]
Justin: is the plan to publish SKOS Primer as a Note?
... have found in other w3 activities that publishing as an article
can sometimes be useful
... sometimes having all the technical front matter can get in the
way of understanding
Ralph: can you cite an example of how to do this right?
Justin: Web Content Accessibility Overview
Antoine: that would be interesting
Justin: will send links to list
Antoine: do you think the existing SKOS Core guide will serve as a
good example of what we should do?
... is it too complex?
Justin: I think because it's wrapped in a technical report format
it's harder to dive into
Tom: if you could send some feedback along those lines to Antoine
that would be useful
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next week
on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[CONTINUES]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and
add to the issue list. [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of
isDefinedBy [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
RDFa
<scribe> ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom
[regarding maintenance of wiki document
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[CONTINUES]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa
[22] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action14
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa
(with assistance from Michael) [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[CONTINUES]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03
Ralph: did the schedule get updated?
... yeah, i guess it needs to be updated
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule]
[recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[CONTINUES]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule
[25] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04
<scribe> ACTION: Guus/Tom to propose joint decisions for reviews for
major [RDFa] steps/transition requests. Informal agreement about
working drafts. [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action17] [DONE]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action17
Ralph: there's still a divergence of opinion on how the instanceof
syntax should work
... we're guessing how people would 'naturally' interpret some
markup
... there's two different approaches that seem obvious to different
sets of people
... trying to figure out whether some use cases are hard to
implement with one or the other
Tom: what's coming down the pipe w/ transition requests
Ralph: the only major stumbling block is the interpretation of
instanceof
Tom: sean palmer made a suggestion on RDFa and user agents
[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0056.h
tml
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0056.html
Ralph: we should respond
<Ralph> Sean's message is related to ->
[28]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/28 issue 28 "Follow
your nose"
[28] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/28
Tom: can we take an action for the taskforce to respond?
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to sean palmer's
suggestion [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11]
Recipes
<scribe> ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects
[recorded in [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action18]
[CONTINUES]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action18
<berrueta>
[31]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/BestPracticeRecipe6 <--
recipe 6 recasted as an implementation pattern
[31] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/BestPracticeRecipe6
berrueta: would be happy to get some feedback
... will post to the mailing list
<guus> [sry, phone out of batteries]
<scribe> ACTION: Diego to recast Recipe 6 [recorded in [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action19]
[CONTINUES]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action19
<scribe> ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes
document. [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[CONTINUES]
[33] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action20
<scribe> ACTION: Jon to add words that acknowledge the existence of
RDFa as [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action21]
[CONTINUES]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action21
<scribe> ACTION: Jon to make changes as proposed [with regard to
Issue-23] [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action22]
[CONTINUES]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action22
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default
behavior" [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action23]
[CONTINUES]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action23
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for
Recipes [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action24]
[CONTINUES]
[37] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action24
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes] [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action25]
[CONTINUES]
[38] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action25
<Ralph> [sigh -- I had planned to make progress on at least one of
my actions before this call, but failed at that]
Tom: i think the deliverables page needs to reflect that December is
a target for the Recipes document
Ralph: sounds like something that was decided at f2f
berrueta: i think so
JonP: we'll work on it some this week I think
Tom: lets keep december as a target for having a version of recipes
to review
... we need an action to update the deliverables page
<scribe> ACTION: diego to update deliverables page w/r/t recipes
document [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action20]
Ralph: it will be useful to have an updated recipes document
... tim seems to think there are a number of things wrong with the
current document
... he wondered if the current working draft should be retracted
... so there's at least one person that thinks that it might be
causing more confusion that not
JonP: we don't have a solution to the most significant problem that
he raised -- conditional redirects
... that's the one danbri is tasked to speak to apache about
Ralph: we can note in the recipe that there is a problem
JonP: the urgency is noted :)
<scribe> ACTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for
review in [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action26]
[CONTINUES]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action26
Vocabulary Management
<scribe> ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the
target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and
potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[CONTINUES]
[41] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07
AOB
<Ralph> [42]SWEO requests input on SKOS message [19]
[42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0030.html
[19] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01
<Ralph> [43]Ed's post to SWEO [26]
[43] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007Nov/0036.html
[26] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action17
<scribe> ACTION: Ed to send review to SWEO by next telecon [recorded
in [44]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[DONE]
[44] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13
Tom: meeting is adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: diego to update deliverables page w/r/t recipes
document [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to sean palmer's
suggestion [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next
week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on
relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users
[recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom
[regarding maintenance of wiki document
[49]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for
RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki
[52]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule]
[recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects
[recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Diego to recast Recipe 6 [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and
add to the issue list. [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes
document. [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jon to add words that acknowledge the existence of
RDFa as [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jon to make changes as proposed [with regard to
Issue-23] [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default
behavior" [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for
Recipes [recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of
isDefinedBy [recorded in
[63]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes] [recorded in
[64]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for
review in [recorded in
[65]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the
target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and
potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in
[66]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in
[67]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[47] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04
[48] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05
[49] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa
[50] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05
[51] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03
[52] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule
[53] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04
[54] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07
[55] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action02
[56] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01
[57] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action08
[58] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action06
[59] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action05
[60] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02
[61] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
[62] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04
[63] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
[64] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03
[65] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action09
[66] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07
[67] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03
[DONE] ACTION: Ed to send review to SWEO by next telecon [recorded
in [68]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus/Tom to propose joint decisions for reviews for
major [RDFa] steps/transition requests. Informal agreement about
working drafts. [recorded in
[69]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[68] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13
[69] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action02
[End of minutes]
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