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RE: SKOS/ synonym provenance (ISSUE-27 AnnotationOnLabel)

From: Miles, AJ \(Alistair\) <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:40:34 -0000
Message-ID: <677CE4DD24B12C4B9FA138534E29FB1D03B3F1EA@exchange11.fed.cclrc.ac.uk>
To: "Antoine Isaac" <aisaac@few.vu.nl>, "Daniel Rubin" <rubin@smi.stanford.edu>
Cc: <public-swd-wg@w3.org>, "Alan Ruttenberg" <alanruttenberg@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I just wanted to connect this discussion up with ISSUE-27 AnnotationOnLabel [1] -- we should bring that issue up the agenda and discuss asap.

Cheers,

Al.

[1] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/27

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-swd-wg-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:public-swd-wg-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Antoine Isaac
> Sent: 19 November 2007 22:10
> To: Daniel Rubin
> Cc: public-swd-wg@w3.org; Alan Ruttenberg
> Subject: Re: SKOS/ synonym provenance
> 
> 
> Hi Daniel, Alan,
> 
> You are actually making points in favor of this many-to-one 
> option, which will be interesting to remind if we go for the 
> label-as-resource option (which, I remind you, is not the 
> current choice of the WG!)
> 
> I wonder however how your specific case can fit the SKOS 
> world: what you call synonym here could be a case of 
> skos:altLabel between two concepts in different communities 
> and the "study" label, couldn't it?
> Also, I don't think SKOS should propose means to represent 
> provenance from entities different from concept schemes. Your 
> "communities" seem a very specific requirement. And the 
> problem is difficult enough for concept schemes, I'd say :-(
> 
> But at least we can try to have a basis that fits your 
> representation needs in a reasonable way. It would therefore 
> help if you could say whether you prefer represent your 
> information using label-as-resources or Alistair's n-ary 
> patterns for labels-as-literals [2]. Every user's advice is 
> welcome on this point.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Antoine
> 
> [2] 
> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/RelationshipsBet
> weenLabels/ProposalFour
> 
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Alan Ruttenberg is interested ability of SKOS to support 
> associating 
> > information with synonyms, such as provenance, or recording the 
> > community that uses the term. He had some comments he wanted me to 
> > share with SWD on our issue called Label Relations under active 
> > discussion [1]. Please see his comments below.
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> > [1] http:// isegserv.itd.rl.ac.uk/public/skos/2007/10/f2f/label-
> > relations.html
> >
> > ______________
> >
> >> I think we would say that we need the many to one case, as if the 
> >> literal was inverse functional we would not be able to 
> have the same 
> >> word be a synonym for different terms for different communities.
> >>
> >> So take the case of the term "study".  In the clinical trial 
> >> community this would be a synonym for ClinicalTrial, but in the 
> >> Nutrigenomics community it is a synonym for some portion of a 
> >> clinical investigation.
> >>
> >> Therefore our case resembles the cow case, but is more clearly
> >> motivated:
> >>
> >> ex1:cow rdf:type skos:Label;
> >>   skos:plainLiteralValue "cow"@en;
> >>   dcterms:created "2007-09-09".
> >>
> >> ex2:cow rdf:type skos:Label;
> >>   skos:plainLiteralValue "cow"@en;
> >>   dcterms:created "1903-05-05".
> >>
> >> instead
> >>
> >> obi:study_trial rdf:type skos:Label;
> >>   skos:plainLiteralValue "study"@en;
> >>   obi:forCommunity obi:ClinicalCommunity.
> >>
> >> obi:study_nutri rdf:type skos:Label;
> >>   skos:plainLiteralValue "study"@en;
> >>   obi:forCommunity obi:NutrigenomicsCommunity.
> >>
> >> As another example, consider the recording of the association of 
> >> lexical terms with concepts that would be derived from text mining.
> >> In that case we would like to record the fact that the synonym is 
> >> sanctioned by a particular publication. Thus the skos:Label is the 
> >> lexical form by which the entity is cited in the paper.
> >>
> >> Please pass this back to the SWD, and feel free to follow 
> up or have 
> >> someone else from SWD follow up.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Alan
> >>
> >> -Alan
> >>
> >>> At 09:08 PM 11/14/2007, you wrote:
> >>>> Hi Daniel,
> >>>>
> >>>> We had discussed the issue of associating information with 
> >>>> synonyms, such as provenance, or recording the community 
> that uses the term.
> >>>> You mentioned that you would talk to the SWD group about whether 
> >>>> this as acknowledged as a requirement for SKOS  and if 
> not, whether 
> >>>> it could be.  I'm wondering whether you got to that, and 
> if so what 
> >>>> the response was.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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