- From: Clay Redding <cred@loc.gov>
- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:57:50 -0500
- To: <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
Hi all,
The minutes from our December 11 teleconference are attached. Please also refer to the HTML version at http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html .
Thanks to Antoine for helping with scribe duties.
Topics:
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]SKOS
3. [7]RDFa
4. [8]Recipes
5. [9]Vocabulary management
Summary of action items:
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which
aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate
recommendation package. [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine to send a mail to the list so as to have a
discussion on ISSUE-36 and isDefinedBy for next week's telecon
[recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine to send a msg proposing a resolution for next
week telecon on ISSUE-39 considering Alistair's 3 subtopics
[recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph and Ed to review recipes document [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action18]
[PENDING] ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next
week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on
relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users
[recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom
[regarding maintenance of wiki document
[51]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for
RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki
[54]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule]
[recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects
[recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and
add to the issue list. [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default
behavior" [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of
isDefinedBy [recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the
target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and
potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in
[63]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Antoine to come up with a revised Conceptual Mapping
proposal based on the comments received [recorded in
[64]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes
document. [recorded in
[65]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to Sean Palmer's
suggestion [recorded in
[66]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11]
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
SWD WG
11 Dec 2007
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/0044.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-irc
Attendees
Present
Ralph, Tom, Ed, Clay, Alistair, Antoine, Margherita, Justin,
Guus, Sean, Vit (participating in IRC only)
Regrets
Elisa, Jon, Ben, Simone, Quentin, Diego
Chair
Tom
Scribe
Clay, Antoine
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]SKOS
3. [7]RDFa
4. [8]Recipes
5. [9]Vocabulary management
* [10]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<Tom> Previous: [11]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html
[11] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html
<Ralph> Tom welcomes Margherita Sini from FAO
Tom: welcomes Margherita Sini
<Ralph> [12]UN Food and Agriculture Organization
[12] http://www.fao.org/
Margherita: From FAO, Food and Agriculture Org. of the UN
<Antoine> [13]http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-ucr/#UC-Aims links to the
AIMS project / Agrovoc
[13] http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-ucr/#UC-Aims
Margherita: looking at SKOS for services for their users
Admin
PROPOSED to accept minutes of the Dec 04 telecon:
[14]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html
[14] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html
RESOLVED: Minutes accepted.
Next telecon: 8 January 1600 UTC
SKOS
<scribe> ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02
Alistair: hope to get caught up this week
<Antoine> or was it Sean?
<scribe> ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[CONTINUES]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on
relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[CONTINUES]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to come up with a revised Conceptual
Mapping proposal based on the comments received [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html#action01
Antoine: (to Ed and Alistair) will handle integration of content
<Antoine>
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/0046.h
tml
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/0046.html
Antoine: there has been a formal proposal to postpone to later re:
semantic axioms, etc.
... mapping links are restricted to skos:Concepts
... updated discussion section to account for skos:exactMatch and
about using one concept scheme
<Zakim> Aliman, you wanted to ask Antoine to summarise recent
discussion on mapping
Alistair: Antoine, can you summarize the points being raised re:
modifications to the proposal?
Antoine: differences between overlapping match and relating match
Alistair: re: inexactMatch, what is difference between that and
overlapping?
Alistair: Wants to confirm that in new proposal that overlapping and
deprecating inexactMatch
... re: extension module
... has sketched out what the module what it would like. Might be
able to continue on without addressing labels as resources
... extension might be published as another means later
... but could be done now
... possibly as a note by us or elsewhere
... Shall I take an action to sketch out the underlying issue for
the WG to possibly consider as a resolution for inclusion?
Ed: Are open issues in issue tracker, do those have to be closed?
(re: labels as resources)
Tom: Group needs to take a stand.
Ralph: We will be judged at the time we go to last call and at time
to request candidate recommendation. Easiest way to track them is in
the issues list, which is a combination of external comments and
internal issues
... We should respond to external comments before proceeding to next
level of maturity.
Ed: Alistair's proposal is good then.
Tom: Propose action on Alistair to write up a document on extension
and labels
... not proposing a solution, but what is in scope for current work
and an approach toward that which can be done later in an extension
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which
aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate
recommendation package. [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action06]
Antoine: re: issue 39
<Zakim> aliman, you wanted to say something about breaking up issue
39
<Zakim> aliman, you wanted to say about breaking up the issue 39
<Ralph> scribenick: antoine
Tom: comments of formal status wrt ISSUE-39 proposal?
Guus: there seems to be enough consensus
Tom: we can have a discussion on this and close the issue on next
call
<aliman>
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/0024.h
tml
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/0024.html
Alistair: I have something to say.
... 3 independent topics of discussion
... first is grouping constructs (39-A)
<marghe> yes i am in favor of that
Alistair: second is parallel vocabularies between semantic relations
and mapping ones (39-B)
... third is relatedMatch versus overlappingMatch
... (39-C)
Tom: Antoine willing to send a message on the list saying that we
will have discussion next week?
Antoine: OK
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to send a msg proposing a resolution for
next week telecon on ISSUE-39 considering Alisatir's 3 subtopics
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action07]
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next week
on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[CONTINUES]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04
Alistair: clarification on where we are?
Guus: no commitment on whether SKOS concepts can be instances of OWL
class
Alstair: point was on containment and inScheme
Guus: We need to revisit our decision.
Alistair: We would need this as soon as possible
... We don't have much time before Christmas.
Tom: Which decision do we need to revisit?
Alistair: The one according to which we would deprecate inScheme,
replaced by isDefinedBy
... there was discussion
... problems with respect to backward compatibility and isDefinedBy
semantics.
<Ed: > I think this was Jon's email regarding inScheme?
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0016.h
tml.
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0016.html
[25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.h
tml
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html
Tom: Would be helpful to have the reconstructed proposal
Antoine: I sent a mail about this, re-opening the issue
Alistair: We have to re-resolve it again
Tom: It would be nice to solve this next week
Alistair: Antoine's mail has a proposal in it
... could be good enough
... as a focus for decision
Tom: Does the action on Ralph fit this?
Ralph: I can't say how it interacts.
Alistair: Antoine's resolution does not prevent the use of
isDefinedBy.
Ralph: what I hoped to do was to research RDF core's notion of
isDefinedBy semantics
Tom: 2 questions:
... first consider Antoine's proposal
... then consider the use of isDefinedBy
... can someone take an action to propose to discuss this issue on
next telecon?
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to send a mail to the list so as to have a
discussion on ISSUE-36 and isDefinedBy for next week's telecon
[recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and
add to the issue list. [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of
isDefinedBy [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
RDFa
<scribe> ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom
[regarding maintenance of wiki document
[29]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[CONTINUES]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa
[30] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action14
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa
(with assistance from Michael) [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[CONTINUES]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki
[32]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule]
[recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[CONTINUES]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule
[33] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to Sean Palmer's
suggestion [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11] [DONE]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11
<Ralph> [35]2007-12-06 RDFa TF telecon
[35] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html
Ralph: the major issue is the interpretation of @instanceOf
... there is a new proposal from Mark Birbeck
... positive reviews by Ben
Recipes
Tom: I'd suggest that we move the actions
<scribe> ACTION: Dan to ask Apache about conditional redirects
[recorded in [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action18]
[CONTINUES]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action18
<scribe> ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes
document. [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action20] [DONE]
[37] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action20
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph and Ed to review recipes document [recorded
in [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action18]
Tom: The editors of recipes document need to send a note to the
list.
Ralph: Yes
Tom: Which status?
Ralph: Still a WD
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default
behavior" [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action23]
[CONTINUES]
[39] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action23
<Ralph> [40]proposal for Wiki page for Recipes implementations
[40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/0057.html
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for
Recipes [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action24]
[CONTINUES]
[41] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action24
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes] [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action25]
[CONTINUES]
[42] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action25
Vocabulary management
<scribe> ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the
target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and
potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[CONTINUES]
[43] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07
Tom: meeting adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which
aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate
recommendation package. [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine to send a mail to the list so as to have a
discussion on ISSUE-36 and isDefinedBy for next week's telecon
[recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine to send a msg proposing a resolution for next
week telecon on ISSUE-39 considering Alisatir's 3 subtopics
[recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph and Ed to review recipes document [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action18]
[PENDING] ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next
week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on
relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users
[recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom
[regarding maintenance of wiki document
[51]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for
RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki
[54]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule]
[recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects
[recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and
add to the issue list. [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default
behavior" [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of
isDefinedBy [recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the
target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and
potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in
[63]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[48] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02
[49] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04
[50] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05
[51] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa
[52] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05
[53] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03
[54] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule
[55] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04
[56] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07
[57] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01
[58] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
[59] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04
[60] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
[61] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03
[62] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07
[63] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03
[DONE] ACTION: Antoine to come up with a revised Conceptual Mapping
proposal based on the comments received [recorded in
[64]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes
document. [recorded in
[65]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to Sean Palmer's
suggestion [recorded in
[66]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[64] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-swd-minutes.html#action01
[65] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action08
[66] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html#action11
[End of minutes]
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