- From: Bernard Horan <Bernard.Horan@sun.com>
- Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:45:53 +0000
- To: SWD WG <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
given my absence from last week's telecon (my apologies) I think it's unlikely that I seconded the Guus's proposal to accept the minutes (not that there's anything wrong with them!) cheers Bernard Sean Bechhofer wrote on 22/11/06 12:53: > > The record of this week's SemWeb Deployment WG telecon is ready for > review [1]. > A text copy follows below. > > Sean > > [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > > [1]W3C > > [1] http://www.w3.org/ > > SWD WG > > 21 Nov 2006 > > [2]Agenda > > [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Nov/ > 0045.html > > See also: [3]IRC log, previous: [4]2006-11-14 > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-irc > [4] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html > > Attendees > > Present > Ralph Swick, Tom Baker, Antoine Isaac, Alistair Miles, Jon > Phipps, Guus Schreiber, Diego Berrueta, Sean Bechhofer, Ben > Adida, Daniel Rubin > > Regrets > Chair > Guus Schreiber > > Scribe > Sean Bechhofer > > Contents > > * [5]Topics > 1. [6]Admin > 2. [7]SKOS Requirements > 3. [8]Other Deliverables > 4. [9]AOB > * [10]Summary of Action Items > _________________________________________________________ > > Admin > > Guus: Propose accept minutes > > Bernard: seconded > > Accepted > > RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 14th November telecon: > [11]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html > > [11] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html > > Regrets from Ralph next two weeks, > > Regrets from Daniel next week > > Guus: wiki > > Ralph: Action is done. > ... may need to register users > > ACTION: [DONE] Ralph to find out more about the RIF Wiki tools > [recorded in > [12]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04] > > [12] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04 > > Ralph: please try it out and let Ralph know > ... Ralph will follow up after telecon > > Guus: wiki makes it easier to contribute to home page > > <RalphS> I apparently need to enable accounts for each WG member > > Ralph: brief conversation with Sandro re document tools > > ACTION: Ralph to liaise with Sandro re Documentation tools [recorded > in [13]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action02] > > Alistair: Clarification whether non-members can subscribe/post > ... to swd mailing list. No link on the mailing list page > > Ralph: Anyone can post. Subscriptions are more complex > ... anyone can read the archive. Subscriptions happen when sign up > to WG > ... awkward to add others. > > Alistair: why? > > Ralph: No good procedural reason as everything's public. No > objection if we were > ... to allow non-members to subscribe. Needs manual step to approve. > > Alistair: Mailed to esw-thes list regarding SKOS discussion on this > list > ... maybe less accessible. > > Ralph: Happy to talk about this, but reluctant due to extra > overhead. > > Daniel: For those working on use cases > ... how will that work. email goes back and forth with users. > ... these are non-members > > Alistair: Why not cc swd list? > > Ralph: Replies will be ok as anyone can post to list. > ... carefully use ccs > > Guus: reply-all and it will all work :-) > > SKOS Requirements > > Guus: Actions > ... all to respond to Alistair's proposal. Some traffic. Close? > > Alistair: keep it open for another week. More feedback please > > Guus: Alistair work with UCR editors. > > Alistair: continued. Will draft email once a format is agreed > > Guus: Daniel to send email about use case. Done > > ACTION: all to respond to Alistair's proposal [recorded in > [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05] > [CONTINUES] > > [14] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05 > > ACTION: Alistair work with the UCR editors to draft questions to > invite the esw-thes mailing list to contribute to the use cases and > requirements [recorded in > [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10] > [CONTINUES] > > [15] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10 > > ACTION: [DONE] Daniel to send mail describing his use cases for SKOS > draft [recorded in > [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01] > > [16] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01 > > ACTION: Jon, Daniel, Antoine figure out their individual roles as > SKOS Requirements editors [recorded in > [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07] > [CONTINUES] > > [17] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07 > > Daniel: Tcon set up for December 4th > > Antoine: Read the use case document. Descriptions that were there > match what > ... Alistair proposes. But proposal might lead to longer documents. > > Antoine: 2nd point, Link to part describing the functionality and > vocabulary. Should functionality > ... be built into the vocabulary? > > Guus: Do you see consensus? > > Antoine: No. > > Guus: Based on what has been seen, propose a use case format to be > used. > > Alistair: In response, sent email recently suggesting that Antoine > is right to put > ... more emphasis on vocab. Divide into two sections > ... 1) Vocabulary. Extracts and description of stuff > ... 2) One or more applications of the vocabulary > ... Distinction between functionality and application is good. > ... Could also accept an application-only use case. > > Guus: Need agreement on format. Propose that we agree in the manner > ... Alistair just summarised, and move on. > ... Antoine and editors take action on this. > > <TomB> +1 > > ACTION: Antoine and other editors to write up format. Email to list > describing format with an example. [recorded in > [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action08] > > Guus: use cases from Daniel, Bernard and Alistair > > Sean: also one from me: > [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0044.h > tml > > [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/ > 0044.html > > Alistair: Hoping for more use cases from SKOS list. > ... ought to have use cases for Dewey and UDC, AAT, MeSH etc. > ... important to capture these vocabularies representing long > history and experience > > Ralph: Vocabs well respected in community. Also have recognition > with the public > > Guus: Timing. Message out to SKOS within a week. Allows time to > prepare use case > > <RalphS> Dewey in particular has broad public name recognition, so > nice to have that as a use case > > Guus: document for January meeting > > Tom: Number of links to use cases. Get them into a wiki > > Guus: Use wiki to keep track of this > > Antoine: Planned to use wiki during the requirements gathering. > > Tom: Prefer wiki or cvs? If wiki, need to have access > > Guus: Good moment to start using the wiki > > Other Deliverables > > Guus: RDF in XHTML? > > Ben: Little behind in RDFa work > ... latest discussion re. Tim Berners-Lee on html/xhtml etc. > ... how to make RDFa work in all these things > ... apologies for delay. Planning for use case > ... and requirements in the next couple of weeks. > > Ralph: Tom and Ralph discussing how to keep SWD in touch with RDFa. > ... separate RDFa telecons could do with some help/more work > > Ben: Invitation open to anyone who wants to participate. Anyone > interested in RDF > ... and clickable web should keep an eye on this work. > ... Ben needs to attend SWD telecons and will do so! More > ... participate welcome. Interesting ideas to make RDFa work in > existing browsers. > > Guus: All people in RDFa work will be participants of SWD > > Ralph: RDFa is intended to be jointly owned by SWD and HTML Activity > WG > ... charters for HTML activity not yet out for approval. > ... suggesting that two people participating in RDFa telecons > ... Steven Pemberton and Mark Birbeck and Elias Torres > ... should participate here. Elias keen. Mark willing and Steven > could > ... join as W3 staff if he wanted to > > Guus: Concerns > ... 1) this work needs to be more in focus if we are to take > responsibility. We (WG) have to decide on it > ... either discussions moved to SWD list, or we need more intense > summaries. Guus prefers > ... former solution > ... 2) Problems with HTML charter. Don't want to lose commitment > from HTML community to > ... work on this. > > Ralph: Agree. Expectation is that two WG chartered for HTML > ... 1) Traditional "tag soup" HTML > ... 2) XHTML > ... There will be joint work that matches the work of SWD > ... Proposal for XHTML is to call it XHTML2 WG, but schedule will > include XHTML1.1 RDFa module. > ... that fits with SWDs. > > Guus: Still operating under old task force regime > > Ben: Still operating under old mailing list. > ... Lots of thinking and private discussion going on. Not a lot on > RDFa > ... Might discourage HTML community if it's not seen as joint work > > Guus: Let's not endanger collaboration with HTML community. > ... Make sure stuff is cced > > Ben: Can definitely do that. For now, let's cc everything and pare > it down if it > ... becomes too much > > Guus: Introduce tags into the mailing list. Propose RDFa tag for > RDFa, SKOS for SKOS and > ...for things concerning everyone, use ALL > > Ben: Can we tag automatically? > > Ralph: No > > Ben: Request for more feedback and involvement > ... Refocus on spec over next two weeks. > ... Use case/requirements, will mail list and canvas feedback > > Guus: Recipes > ... Document (incomplete) published. Aggressive schedule to > republish. > ... Authorships for new version? > > Alistair: Unlikely to have time to edit or be involved in this work. > ... Would like to be, but can't commit > ... No-one has yet come forward volunteering to edit > ... A lot of people aren't aware of this work. Need to market and > push > ... this issue and the fact that we're doing this. Lots of effort > has gone into this. > ... People out there who might be able to add effort. > > Guus: Fora for publicising this? > > Alistair: Don't know > > Guus: Willing to send message pointing at original document and > inviting people to > ... join and participate in this. > ... Semantic Web Interest Group? > > Alistair: OWLEd? > ... Issues about import etc. > > ACTION: Guus to send email to SW Interest Group re Recipes [recorded > in [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action09] > > Alistair: Also identity on the web at WWW2006 > > Guus: Principles for managing RDF vocabularies > ... No volunteers > > Jon: I'm working on that stuff, but don't have time to write on it > ... someone in his group is doing change management/versioning. > ... High interest, but no time. If there's someone who'd like to > collaborate, would > ... be interested > > Alistair: If vocabulary has change management/versioning in the use > case, > ... do mention this. Change management will be key to SKOS. > ... Must have at least and awareness of what such models might be. > ... Research is needed. > ... Models of SKOS management may well be different to those for > e.g. DCMI terms > > Guus: We need more people to work on this > ... Tom? > > Tom: Would like to input, but can't offer to edit it. > ... Will think about where effort might come from. Cf. Guus's > message to SW Interest > > ACTION: Tom to Consider call for participation for VM on model of > Guus's re: Recipes [recorded in > [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action10] > > AOB > > Guus: F2F set for 22/23 January > ... Tom and Guus to work on agenda just before Christmas > > ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179 compatibility > issue evolves [recorded in > [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07] > [CONTINUES] > > [22] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07 > > [adjourned] > > Summary of Action Items > > [NEW] ACTION: Antoine and other editors to write up format. Email to > list describing format with an example. [recorded in > [23]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action08] > [NEW] ACTION: Guus to send email to SW Interest Group re Recipes > [recorded in > [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action09] > [NEW] ACTION: Ralph to liaise with Sandro re Documentation tools > [recorded in > [25]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action02] > [NEW] ACTION: Tom to Consider call for participation for VM on model > of Guus's re: Recipes [recorded in > [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action10] > > [PENDING] ACTION: Alistair work with the UCR editors to draft > questions to invite the esw-thes mailing list to contribute to the > use cases and requirements [recorded in > [27]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10] > [PENDING] ACTION: Jon, Daniel, Antoine figure out their individual > roles as SKOS Requirements editors [recorded in > [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07] > [PENDING] ACTION: all to respond to Alistair's proposal [recorded in > [29]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05] > [PENDING] ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179 > compatibility issue evolves [recorded in > [$1\47][30]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07] > [recorded in > [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action12] > > [27] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10 > [28] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07 > [29] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05 > [30] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07 > > [DONE] ACTION: Daniel to send mail describing his use cases for SKOS > draft [recorded in > [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01] > [DONE] ACTION: Ralph to find out more about the RIF Wiki tools > [recorded in > [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04] > > [32] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01 > [33] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04 > > [End of minutes] > _________________________________________________________ > > > Minutes formatted by David Booth's [34]scribe.perl version 1.127 > ([35]CVS log) > $Date: 2006/11/21 18:48:57 $ > > [34] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/ > scribedoc.htm > [35] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ > > > > > > -- > Sean Bechhofer > School of Computer Science > University of Manchester > sean.bechhofer@manchester.ac.uk > http://www.cs.manchester.ac.uk/people/bechhofer > > > >
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