Re: meeting record: 2006-11-21 SWD telecon

given my absence from last week's telecon (my apologies) I think it's 
unlikely that I seconded the Guus's proposal to accept the minutes (not 
that there's anything wrong with them!)

cheers

Bernard

Sean Bechhofer  wrote on 22/11/06 12:53:

> 
> The record of this week's SemWeb Deployment WG telecon is ready for  
> review [1].
> A text copy follows below.
> 
>     Sean
> 
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> ------
> 
>    [1]W3C
> 
>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
> 
>                                 SWD WG
> 
> 21 Nov 2006
> 
>    [2]Agenda
> 
>       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Nov/ 
> 0045.html
> 
>    See also: [3]IRC log, previous: [4]2006-11-14
> 
>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-irc
>       [4] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html
> 
> Attendees
> 
>    Present
>           Ralph Swick, Tom Baker, Antoine Isaac, Alistair Miles, Jon
>           Phipps, Guus Schreiber, Diego Berrueta, Sean Bechhofer, Ben
>           Adida, Daniel Rubin
> 
>    Regrets
>    Chair
>           Guus Schreiber
> 
>    Scribe
>           Sean Bechhofer
> 
> Contents
> 
>      * [5]Topics
>          1. [6]Admin
>          2. [7]SKOS Requirements
>          3. [8]Other Deliverables
>          4. [9]AOB
>      * [10]Summary of Action Items
>      _________________________________________________________
> 
> Admin
> 
>    Guus: Propose accept minutes
> 
>    Bernard: seconded
> 
>    Accepted
> 
>    RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 14th November telecon:
>    [11]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html
> 
>      [11] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html
> 
>    Regrets from Ralph next two weeks,
> 
>    Regrets from Daniel next week
> 
>    Guus: wiki
> 
>    Ralph: Action is done.
>    ... may need to register users
> 
>    ACTION: [DONE] Ralph to find out more about the RIF Wiki tools
>    [recorded in
>    [12]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04]
> 
>      [12] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04
> 
>    Ralph: please try it out and let Ralph know
>    ... Ralph will follow up after telecon
> 
>    Guus: wiki makes it easier to contribute to home page
> 
>    <RalphS> I apparently need to enable accounts for each WG member
> 
>    Ralph: brief conversation with Sandro re document tools
> 
>    ACTION: Ralph to liaise with Sandro re Documentation tools [recorded
>    in [13]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action02]
> 
>    Alistair: Clarification whether non-members can subscribe/post
>    ... to swd mailing list. No link on the mailing list page
> 
>    Ralph: Anyone can post. Subscriptions are more complex
>    ... anyone can read the archive. Subscriptions happen when sign up
>    to WG
>    ... awkward to add others.
> 
>    Alistair: why?
> 
>    Ralph: No good procedural reason as everything's public. No
>    objection if we were
>    ... to allow non-members to subscribe. Needs manual step to approve.
> 
>    Alistair: Mailed to esw-thes list regarding SKOS discussion on this
>    list
>    ... maybe less accessible.
> 
>    Ralph: Happy to talk about this, but reluctant due to extra
>    overhead.
> 
>    Daniel: For those working on use cases
>    ... how will that work. email goes back and forth with users.
>    ... these are non-members
> 
>    Alistair: Why not cc swd list?
> 
>    Ralph: Replies will be ok as anyone can post to list.
>    ... carefully use ccs
> 
>    Guus: reply-all and it will all work :-)
> 
> SKOS Requirements
> 
>    Guus: Actions
>    ... all to respond to Alistair's proposal. Some traffic. Close?
> 
>    Alistair: keep it open for another week. More feedback please
> 
>    Guus: Alistair work with UCR editors.
> 
>    Alistair: continued. Will draft email once a format is agreed
> 
>    Guus: Daniel to send email about use case. Done
> 
>    ACTION: all to respond to Alistair's proposal [recorded in
>    [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05]
>    [CONTINUES]
> 
>      [14] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05
> 
>    ACTION: Alistair work with the UCR editors to draft questions to
>    invite the esw-thes mailing list to contribute to the use cases and
>    requirements [recorded in
>    [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10]
>    [CONTINUES]
> 
>      [15] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10
> 
>    ACTION: [DONE] Daniel to send mail describing his use cases for SKOS
>    draft [recorded in
>    [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
> 
>      [16] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01
> 
>    ACTION: Jon, Daniel, Antoine figure out their individual roles as
>    SKOS Requirements editors [recorded in
>    [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07]
>    [CONTINUES]
> 
>      [17] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07
> 
>    Daniel: Tcon set up for December 4th
> 
>    Antoine: Read the use case document. Descriptions that were there
>    match what
>    ... Alistair proposes. But proposal might lead to longer documents.
> 
>    Antoine: 2nd point, Link to part describing the functionality and
>    vocabulary. Should functionality
>    ... be built into the vocabulary?
> 
>    Guus: Do you see consensus?
> 
>    Antoine: No.
> 
>    Guus: Based on what has been seen, propose a use case format to be
>    used.
> 
>    Alistair: In response, sent email recently suggesting that Antoine
>    is right to put
>    ... more emphasis on vocab. Divide into two sections
>    ... 1) Vocabulary. Extracts and description of stuff
>    ... 2) One or more applications of the vocabulary
>    ... Distinction between functionality and application is good.
>    ... Could also accept an application-only use case.
> 
>    Guus: Need agreement on format. Propose that we agree in the manner
>    ... Alistair just summarised, and move on.
>    ... Antoine and editors take action on this.
> 
>    <TomB> +1
> 
>    ACTION: Antoine and other editors to write up format. Email to list
>    describing format with an example. [recorded in
>    [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action08]
> 
>    Guus: use cases from Daniel, Bernard and Alistair
> 
>    Sean: also one from me:
>    [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0044.h
>    tml
> 
>      [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/ 
> 0044.html
> 
>    Alistair: Hoping for more use cases from SKOS list.
>    ... ought to have use cases for Dewey and UDC, AAT, MeSH etc.
>    ... important to capture these vocabularies representing long
>    history and experience
> 
>    Ralph: Vocabs well respected in community. Also have recognition
>    with the public
> 
>    Guus: Timing. Message out to SKOS within a week. Allows time to
>    prepare use case
> 
>    <RalphS> Dewey in particular has broad public name recognition, so
>    nice to have that as a use case
> 
>    Guus: document for January meeting
> 
>    Tom: Number of links to use cases. Get them into a wiki
> 
>    Guus: Use wiki to keep track of this
> 
>    Antoine: Planned to use wiki during the requirements gathering.
> 
>    Tom: Prefer wiki or cvs? If wiki, need to have access
> 
>    Guus: Good moment to start using the wiki
> 
> Other Deliverables
> 
>    Guus: RDF in XHTML?
> 
>    Ben: Little behind in RDFa work
>    ... latest discussion re. Tim Berners-Lee on html/xhtml etc.
>    ... how to make RDFa work in all these things
>    ... apologies for delay. Planning for use case
>    ... and requirements in the next couple of weeks.
> 
>    Ralph: Tom and Ralph discussing how to keep SWD in touch with RDFa.
>    ... separate RDFa telecons could do with some help/more work
> 
>    Ben: Invitation open to anyone who wants to participate. Anyone
>    interested in RDF
>    ... and clickable web should keep an eye on this work.
>    ... Ben needs to attend SWD telecons and will do so! More
>    ... participate welcome. Interesting ideas to make RDFa work in
>    existing browsers.
> 
>    Guus: All people in RDFa work will be participants of SWD
> 
>    Ralph: RDFa is intended to be jointly owned by SWD and HTML Activity
>    WG
>    ... charters for HTML activity not yet out for approval.
>    ... suggesting that two people participating in RDFa telecons
>    ... Steven Pemberton and Mark Birbeck and Elias Torres
>    ... should participate here. Elias keen. Mark willing and Steven
>    could
>    ... join as W3 staff if he wanted to
> 
>    Guus: Concerns
>    ... 1) this work needs to be more in focus if we are to take
>    responsibility. We (WG) have to decide on it
>    ... either discussions moved to SWD list, or we need more intense
>    summaries. Guus prefers
>    ... former solution
>    ... 2) Problems with HTML charter. Don't want to lose commitment
>    from HTML community to
>    ... work on this.
> 
>    Ralph: Agree. Expectation is that two WG chartered for HTML
>    ... 1) Traditional "tag soup" HTML
>    ... 2) XHTML
>    ... There will be joint work that matches the work of SWD
>    ... Proposal for XHTML is to call it XHTML2 WG, but schedule will
>    include XHTML1.1 RDFa module.
>    ... that fits with SWDs.
> 
>    Guus: Still operating under old task force regime
> 
>    Ben: Still operating under old mailing list.
>    ... Lots of thinking and private discussion going on. Not a lot on
>    RDFa
>    ... Might discourage HTML community if it's not seen as joint work
> 
>    Guus: Let's not endanger collaboration with HTML community.
>    ... Make sure stuff is cced
> 
>    Ben: Can definitely do that. For now, let's cc everything and pare
>    it down if it
>    ... becomes too much
> 
>    Guus: Introduce tags into the mailing list. Propose RDFa tag for
>    RDFa, SKOS for SKOS and
>    ...for things concerning everyone, use ALL
> 
>    Ben: Can we tag automatically?
> 
>    Ralph: No
> 
>    Ben: Request for more feedback and involvement
>    ... Refocus on spec over next two weeks.
>    ... Use case/requirements, will mail list and canvas feedback
> 
>    Guus: Recipes
>    ... Document (incomplete) published. Aggressive schedule to
>    republish.
>    ... Authorships for new version?
> 
>    Alistair: Unlikely to have time to edit or be involved in this work.
>    ... Would like to be, but can't commit
>    ... No-one has yet come forward volunteering to edit
>    ... A lot of people aren't aware of this work. Need to market and
>    push
>    ... this issue and the fact that we're doing this. Lots of effort
>    has gone into this.
>    ... People out there who might be able to add effort.
> 
>    Guus: Fora for publicising this?
> 
>    Alistair: Don't know
> 
>    Guus: Willing to send message pointing at original document and
>    inviting people to
>    ... join and participate in this.
>    ... Semantic Web Interest Group?
> 
>    Alistair: OWLEd?
>    ... Issues about import etc.
> 
>    ACTION: Guus to send email to SW Interest Group re Recipes [recorded
>    in [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action09]
> 
>    Alistair: Also identity on the web at WWW2006
> 
>    Guus: Principles for managing RDF vocabularies
>    ... No volunteers
> 
>    Jon: I'm working on that stuff, but don't have time to write on it
>    ... someone in his group is doing change management/versioning.
>    ... High interest, but no time. If there's someone who'd like to
>    collaborate, would
>    ... be interested
> 
>    Alistair: If vocabulary has change management/versioning in the use
>    case,
>    ... do mention this. Change management will be key to SKOS.
>    ... Must have at least and awareness of what such models might be.
>    ... Research is needed.
>    ... Models of SKOS management may well be different to those for
>    e.g. DCMI terms
> 
>    Guus: We need more people to work on this
>    ... Tom?
> 
>    Tom: Would like to input, but can't offer to edit it.
>    ... Will think about where effort might come from. Cf. Guus's
>    message to SW Interest
> 
>    ACTION: Tom to Consider call for participation for VM on model of
>    Guus's re: Recipes [recorded in
>    [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]
> 
> AOB
> 
>    Guus: F2F set for 22/23 January
>    ... Tom and Guus to work on agenda just before Christmas
> 
>    ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179 compatibility
>    issue evolves [recorded in
>    [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07]
>    [CONTINUES]
> 
>      [22] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07
> 
>    [adjourned]
> 
> Summary of Action Items
> 
>    [NEW] ACTION: Antoine and other editors to write up format. Email to
>    list describing format with an example. [recorded in
>    [23]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action08]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Guus to send email to SW Interest Group re Recipes
>    [recorded in
>    [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action09]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Ralph to liaise with Sandro re Documentation tools
>    [recorded in
>    [25]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action02]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Tom to Consider call for participation for VM on model
>    of Guus's re: Recipes [recorded in
>    [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]
> 
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Alistair work with the UCR editors to draft
>    questions to invite the esw-thes mailing list to contribute to the
>    use cases and requirements [recorded in
>    [27]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Jon, Daniel, Antoine figure out their individual
>    roles as SKOS Requirements editors [recorded in
>    [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: all to respond to Alistair's proposal [recorded in
>    [29]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179
>    compatibility issue evolves [recorded in
>    [$1\47][30]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07]
>    [recorded in
>    [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action12]
> 
>      [27] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10
>      [28] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07
>      [29] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05
>      [30] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07
> 
>    [DONE] ACTION: Daniel to send mail describing his use cases for SKOS
>    draft [recorded in
>    [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
>    [DONE] ACTION: Ralph to find out more about the RIF Wiki tools
>    [recorded in
>    [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04]
> 
>      [32] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01
>      [33] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04
> 
>    [End of minutes]
>      _________________________________________________________
> 
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> Sean Bechhofer
> School of Computer Science
> University of Manchester
> sean.bechhofer@manchester.ac.uk
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