- From: Sean Bechhofer <sean.bechhofer@manchester.ac.uk>
- Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:53:33 +0000
- To: SWD WG <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
The record of this week's SemWeb Deployment WG telecon is ready for
review [1].
A text copy follows below.
Sean
[1] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
SWD WG
21 Nov 2006
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Nov/
0045.html
See also: [3]IRC log, previous: [4]2006-11-14
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-irc
[4] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html
Attendees
Present
Ralph Swick, Tom Baker, Antoine Isaac, Alistair Miles, Jon
Phipps, Guus Schreiber, Diego Berrueta, Sean Bechhofer, Ben
Adida, Daniel Rubin
Regrets
Chair
Guus Schreiber
Scribe
Sean Bechhofer
Contents
* [5]Topics
1. [6]Admin
2. [7]SKOS Requirements
3. [8]Other Deliverables
4. [9]AOB
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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Admin
Guus: Propose accept minutes
Bernard: seconded
Accepted
RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 14th November telecon:
[11]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html
[11] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html
Regrets from Ralph next two weeks,
Regrets from Daniel next week
Guus: wiki
Ralph: Action is done.
... may need to register users
ACTION: [DONE] Ralph to find out more about the RIF Wiki tools
[recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[12] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04
Ralph: please try it out and let Ralph know
... Ralph will follow up after telecon
Guus: wiki makes it easier to contribute to home page
<RalphS> I apparently need to enable accounts for each WG member
Ralph: brief conversation with Sandro re document tools
ACTION: Ralph to liaise with Sandro re Documentation tools [recorded
in [13]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action02]
Alistair: Clarification whether non-members can subscribe/post
... to swd mailing list. No link on the mailing list page
Ralph: Anyone can post. Subscriptions are more complex
... anyone can read the archive. Subscriptions happen when sign up
to WG
... awkward to add others.
Alistair: why?
Ralph: No good procedural reason as everything's public. No
objection if we were
... to allow non-members to subscribe. Needs manual step to approve.
Alistair: Mailed to esw-thes list regarding SKOS discussion on this
list
... maybe less accessible.
Ralph: Happy to talk about this, but reluctant due to extra
overhead.
Daniel: For those working on use cases
... how will that work. email goes back and forth with users.
... these are non-members
Alistair: Why not cc swd list?
Ralph: Replies will be ok as anyone can post to list.
... carefully use ccs
Guus: reply-all and it will all work :-)
SKOS Requirements
Guus: Actions
... all to respond to Alistair's proposal. Some traffic. Close?
Alistair: keep it open for another week. More feedback please
Guus: Alistair work with UCR editors.
Alistair: continued. Will draft email once a format is agreed
Guus: Daniel to send email about use case. Done
ACTION: all to respond to Alistair's proposal [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[CONTINUES]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05
ACTION: Alistair work with the UCR editors to draft questions to
invite the esw-thes mailing list to contribute to the use cases and
requirements [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[CONTINUES]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10
ACTION: [DONE] Daniel to send mail describing his use cases for SKOS
draft [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01
ACTION: Jon, Daniel, Antoine figure out their individual roles as
SKOS Requirements editors [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[CONTINUES]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07
Daniel: Tcon set up for December 4th
Antoine: Read the use case document. Descriptions that were there
match what
... Alistair proposes. But proposal might lead to longer documents.
Antoine: 2nd point, Link to part describing the functionality and
vocabulary. Should functionality
... be built into the vocabulary?
Guus: Do you see consensus?
Antoine: No.
Guus: Based on what has been seen, propose a use case format to be
used.
Alistair: In response, sent email recently suggesting that Antoine
is right to put
... more emphasis on vocab. Divide into two sections
... 1) Vocabulary. Extracts and description of stuff
... 2) One or more applications of the vocabulary
... Distinction between functionality and application is good.
... Could also accept an application-only use case.
Guus: Need agreement on format. Propose that we agree in the manner
... Alistair just summarised, and move on.
... Antoine and editors take action on this.
<TomB> +1
ACTION: Antoine and other editors to write up format. Email to list
describing format with an example. [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action08]
Guus: use cases from Daniel, Bernard and Alistair
Sean: also one from me:
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0044.h
tml
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/
0044.html
Alistair: Hoping for more use cases from SKOS list.
... ought to have use cases for Dewey and UDC, AAT, MeSH etc.
... important to capture these vocabularies representing long
history and experience
Ralph: Vocabs well respected in community. Also have recognition
with the public
Guus: Timing. Message out to SKOS within a week. Allows time to
prepare use case
<RalphS> Dewey in particular has broad public name recognition, so
nice to have that as a use case
Guus: document for January meeting
Tom: Number of links to use cases. Get them into a wiki
Guus: Use wiki to keep track of this
Antoine: Planned to use wiki during the requirements gathering.
Tom: Prefer wiki or cvs? If wiki, need to have access
Guus: Good moment to start using the wiki
Other Deliverables
Guus: RDF in XHTML?
Ben: Little behind in RDFa work
... latest discussion re. Tim Berners-Lee on html/xhtml etc.
... how to make RDFa work in all these things
... apologies for delay. Planning for use case
... and requirements in the next couple of weeks.
Ralph: Tom and Ralph discussing how to keep SWD in touch with RDFa.
... separate RDFa telecons could do with some help/more work
Ben: Invitation open to anyone who wants to participate. Anyone
interested in RDF
... and clickable web should keep an eye on this work.
... Ben needs to attend SWD telecons and will do so! More
... participate welcome. Interesting ideas to make RDFa work in
existing browsers.
Guus: All people in RDFa work will be participants of SWD
Ralph: RDFa is intended to be jointly owned by SWD and HTML Activity
WG
... charters for HTML activity not yet out for approval.
... suggesting that two people participating in RDFa telecons
... Steven Pemberton and Mark Birbeck and Elias Torres
... should participate here. Elias keen. Mark willing and Steven
could
... join as W3 staff if he wanted to
Guus: Concerns
... 1) this work needs to be more in focus if we are to take
responsibility. We (WG) have to decide on it
... either discussions moved to SWD list, or we need more intense
summaries. Guus prefers
... former solution
... 2) Problems with HTML charter. Don't want to lose commitment
from HTML community to
... work on this.
Ralph: Agree. Expectation is that two WG chartered for HTML
... 1) Traditional "tag soup" HTML
... 2) XHTML
... There will be joint work that matches the work of SWD
... Proposal for XHTML is to call it XHTML2 WG, but schedule will
include XHTML1.1 RDFa module.
... that fits with SWDs.
Guus: Still operating under old task force regime
Ben: Still operating under old mailing list.
... Lots of thinking and private discussion going on. Not a lot on
RDFa
... Might discourage HTML community if it's not seen as joint work
Guus: Let's not endanger collaboration with HTML community.
... Make sure stuff is cced
Ben: Can definitely do that. For now, let's cc everything and pare
it down if it
... becomes too much
Guus: Introduce tags into the mailing list. Propose RDFa tag for
RDFa, SKOS for SKOS and
...for things concerning everyone, use ALL
Ben: Can we tag automatically?
Ralph: No
Ben: Request for more feedback and involvement
... Refocus on spec over next two weeks.
... Use case/requirements, will mail list and canvas feedback
Guus: Recipes
... Document (incomplete) published. Aggressive schedule to
republish.
... Authorships for new version?
Alistair: Unlikely to have time to edit or be involved in this work.
... Would like to be, but can't commit
... No-one has yet come forward volunteering to edit
... A lot of people aren't aware of this work. Need to market and
push
... this issue and the fact that we're doing this. Lots of effort
has gone into this.
... People out there who might be able to add effort.
Guus: Fora for publicising this?
Alistair: Don't know
Guus: Willing to send message pointing at original document and
inviting people to
... join and participate in this.
... Semantic Web Interest Group?
Alistair: OWLEd?
... Issues about import etc.
ACTION: Guus to send email to SW Interest Group re Recipes [recorded
in [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action09]
Alistair: Also identity on the web at WWW2006
Guus: Principles for managing RDF vocabularies
... No volunteers
Jon: I'm working on that stuff, but don't have time to write on it
... someone in his group is doing change management/versioning.
... High interest, but no time. If there's someone who'd like to
collaborate, would
... be interested
Alistair: If vocabulary has change management/versioning in the use
case,
... do mention this. Change management will be key to SKOS.
... Must have at least and awareness of what such models might be.
... Research is needed.
... Models of SKOS management may well be different to those for
e.g. DCMI terms
Guus: We need more people to work on this
... Tom?
Tom: Would like to input, but can't offer to edit it.
... Will think about where effort might come from. Cf. Guus's
message to SW Interest
ACTION: Tom to Consider call for participation for VM on model of
Guus's re: Recipes [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]
AOB
Guus: F2F set for 22/23 January
... Tom and Guus to work on agenda just before Christmas
ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179 compatibility
issue evolves [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[CONTINUES]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine and other editors to write up format. Email to
list describing format with an example. [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus to send email to SW Interest Group re Recipes
[recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph to liaise with Sandro re Documentation tools
[recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Tom to Consider call for participation for VM on model
of Guus's re: Recipes [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair work with the UCR editors to draft
questions to invite the esw-thes mailing list to contribute to the
use cases and requirements [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jon, Daniel, Antoine figure out their individual
roles as SKOS Requirements editors [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: all to respond to Alistair's proposal [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179
compatibility issue evolves [recorded in
[$1\47][30]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action12]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10
[28] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07
[29] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05
[30] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07
[DONE] ACTION: Daniel to send mail describing his use cases for SKOS
draft [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph to find out more about the RIF Wiki tools
[recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01
[33] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04
[End of minutes]
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