- From: Christopher Welty <welty@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:36:35 -0500
- To: Alan Rector <rector@cs.man.ac.uk>
- Cc: Debbie McGinness <dlm@ksl.stanford.edu>, best-practice list <public-swbp-wg@w3.org>
Yes, for parts I have the token. I will try to do something on it this
week. I was not able to work last week (death in the family), and now I'm
catching up.
-Chris
Dr. Christopher A. Welty, Knowledge Structures Group
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Alan Rector <rector@cs.man.ac.uk>
01/24/2006 01:47 PM
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Fwd: reuse of part-whole ontology in WSDL RDF mapping
Chris
What's the state of this? I think you have the token. I could take it
back and schedule stuff for after mid Feb if there is a problem. I am
full up until then.
Regards
Alan
PS - there seems to have been some issue with this thread getting to the
SWBP list. If it doesn't end up on the list, please let me know.
Begin forwarded message:
From: Jacek Kopecky <jacek.kopecky@deri.org>
Date: 21 January 2006 00:37:45 GMT
To: Alan Rector <Alan.Rector@manchester.ac.uk>
Cc: public-swbp-wg@w3.org, rector@cs.man.ac.uk, welty@us.ibm.com
Subject: reuse of part-whole ontology in WSDL RDF mapping
Alan, thanks for the info, I'm glad the part-whole ontology might move
on. I expect we will reuse it in some way in the WSDL RDF mapping, so
you can count on us for a review as well. 8-)
Can you please give me an estimate of the timing for this ontology? What
is the target status for the ontology? And especially, if we move the
WSDL RDF mapping to last call around the W3C TP in March, do you expect
the part-whole ontology to keep at most a step behind us, so that we can
reuse it without slowing down our already delayed deliverable? 8-)
And I have a guidance question as well:
We have currently a set of classes (e.g. Description, Interface,
Binding) and a set of properties (e.g. interface, binding) that are used
both for pointing from Description to its parts Interface and Binding,
but the "interface" property is also used to point from binding to the
corresponding interface (where there is no part-of relationship). So our
hierarchy is Description at the top which contains Interfaces and
Bindings (among others), and Bindings point to Interfaces (one each) as
well.
In order for us to reuse the part-whole ontology, the links between
Description and the lower level of Interface and Binding must indicate
the is_part_of_directly relationship. I can see 3 different ways in
which we can do this:
1. when mapping from WSDL (XML) to RDF, we will generate both
"interface" and "is_part_of_directly" between Description and
Interface (and similar pairs of statements for the other part-of
relationships)
2. in places where a part-of relationship happens, we will replace
the current named properties with is_part_of_directly, and we
will keep our named properties (e.g. interface) to point from
Binding to Interface
3. we will split "interface" (and the same way for similar
properties) into two properties - "contains_interface" and
"interface", the first being subproperty of is_part_of_directly,
the second used where "interface" is used currently but without
the part-of meaning
I hope this makes sense. Personally, I don't like either of the options
- the first one shows no relationship between "interface" and
"is_part_of_directly"; the second makes any query for all Interfaces go
one level deeper (to the type of the object of is_part_of_directly), and
the third introduces the two properties, both of which should really be
a single "interface".
Do you have any comments on which approach might be preferable or if
I indeed missed something better?
Best regards,
Jacek
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 10:04 +0000, Alan Rector wrote:
Jacek
As far as I know the note is ready to go modulo a few minor tweaks.
I think Chris Welty 'has the token'. There was a delay when his
machine failed at the Face-to-Face in November, and I suspect
holidays and other things have meant the document hasn't emerged.
If there is a problem for Chris, I can probably make the few
necessary changes next month, but he had some alternative examples in
mind.
No changes in substance are planned.
Regards
Alan
On 18 Jan 2006, at 19:20, Jacek Kopecky wrote:
Dear SWBP WG, 8-)
within WS-Description WG we are working on an RDF mapping for the WSDL
components, and we are considering using your Part-whole ontology [1].
Can you please let me know about the current status of this particular
ontology and your plans for it?
We will possibly want to go to Last Call with the RDF mapping
around the
Tech Plenary in March, so if the part-whole ontology is planned to be
delivered significantly later (if, indeed, ever), we would not be able
to reuse it.
Best regards,
Jacek Kopecky
[1] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~rector/swbp/simple-part-whole/simple-
part-whole-relations-v0-2.html
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Alan Rector
Professor of Medical Informatics
Department of Computer Science
University of Manchester
Manchester M13 9PL, UK
TEL +44 (0) 161 275 6188/6149
FAX +44 (0) 161 275 6204
www.cs.man.ac.uk/mig
www.clinical-esciences.org
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