- From: Jos De_Roo <jos.deroo@agfa.com>
- Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:57:47 +0200
- To: "Natasha Noy <noy" <noy@SMI.Stanford.EDU>
- Cc: swbp <public-swbp-wg@w3.org>
Read that draft and got quite some AHA effects :)
It's a silly test, but we fetched the 4 graphs
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2004Apr/att-0091/books1.n3
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2004Apr/att-0091/books2.n3
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2004Apr/att-0091/books3.n3
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2004Apr/att-0091/books4.n3
from the web into our euler engine and found that they entail themselves
:)
--
Jos De Roo, AGFA http://www.agfa.com/w3c/jdroo/
Natasha Noy <noy@SMI.Stanford.EDU>
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Subject: [OEP] "Classes as values": summary of the discussion so far and second
draft
As promised, you can find the second draft of the "classes as values"
note at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2004Apr/att-0091/
ClassesAsValues-v2.html
Thanks a million to everyone for all the thoughtful feedback (and for
kind words along the way). I think the discussion is not over yet, I
tried to address some of the points that seemed less controversial and
left some of the discussions (cf my replied to Alan [1] and Aldo [2] up
in the air for the moment).
In lieu of summary of the discussion, here is a list of main changes in
this version.
Running example: it was clear that my example of annotating images of
lions was a very bad one, since it wasn't clear whether a subject of an
image (in the normal English interpretation of the term) is the
specific lion in the picture or lions in general. I was trying to
address the latter with the pattern and that's what I am trying to
stick to (other cases are for other patterns, I think). So, the example
now is subjects of books, rather than images, which is a bit less
ambiguous. A book about lions has the class or subject Lion as its
subject, and a specific living breathing creature.
Approach 2b is eliminated. It used rdfs:isDefinedBy to link instances
of Subject with the corresponding classes (such as LionSubject and
Lion), but the solution was no different (but more verbose) than
Approach 4, which used annotation property. The only reason 2b was in
OWL DL was because rdfs:isDefinedBy was an annotation property, since
it still had a class as its value
Full solution in OWL and its different flavors. Deb pointed out in her
template for patterns that each pattern should include a full text of
the solution in OWL, which makes a lot of sense. I've added that at the
end of each approach. Since I was mocking up all examples in Protege
anyway, it was essentially no effort to add it in RDF/XML syntax, N3,
and abstract syntax. So, take your pick :)
Outstanding discussion and other issues: Alan and Aldo suggested
another approach which uses prototypes as values ([3], [4]). I think
with this more narrow scope of the example (subjects of books rather
than pictures), their solutions seem to address a somewhat different
problem. But I am not sure if we have reached closure on that.
Also has also brought up the issue of ontological patterns vs pragmatic
patterns [4]. I am not sure yet though is this is a use case to
distinguish them explicitly here.
From the public and private comments that I have received, it is clear
that for each of the approaches, at least some people in the group
consider them useful and would use them if they had to stay in OWL DL
(and, for most, others consider them really bad and will not use them
ever). So, I kept all of them for now.
Am I forgetting some other outstanding issues?
The rest are smaller changes that those looking for a higher-level
summary can easily ignore:
- In approach 2, I made much more prominen the point that making
subjects individual instances of the corresponding classes will make it
inconsistent with having real animals instances of the same classes.
Also changed the summary for that approach
- In approach 3, the rdf:type of subject individuals is now a single
class Subject (distinguishing this case from 2, and allowing actual
physical lions to be instances of the classes in the hierarchy)
- In approach 1, saying that something is in OWL Full is not saying
much (after all,, all OWL DL ontologies are also in OWL Full). Rather
than saying that "This ontology is in OWL Full", it now says "This
ontology is in OWL Full, but not OWL DL".
- In approach 4, added a diagram illustrating the approach.
- Added a footnote anywhere allValuesFrom is used that in some cases
someValuesFrom would be more appropriate.
Thanks a lot to everyone who has contributed to the discussion! And, as
I pointed out earlier, I don't think we've reached closure on some of
the issues, so, probably, there will be one more iteration.
Natasha
[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0137.html
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0153.html
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0132.html
[4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0149.html
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