- From: Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
- Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:01:41 -0400
- To: pat hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>, Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
- Cc: public-sw-meaning@w3.org
At 4:38 PM -0500 10/8/03, pat hayes wrote: >> > >Yes. The triples on the bio page are thrown in with the rest. (I >>> >suggested we may want to tag where they came from for >>> >explanation/trust reasoning, some day soon.) >>> >>> Yes, soon. I think tags like this would be handy for many engines, in >>> fact. Our graphic RDF/OWL editor needs to keep them around for more >>> mundane reasons: even for writing simple markup, the user often wants >>> to be able to check where a concept 'comes from'. >>> >>> Maybe that would be a good architectural principle: SW concept names >>> should always 'come from' a unique resource, which we might call the >>> provenance of the name. >> >>Two different but related concepts here. I was talking about tagging >>triples; you're talking about tagging names. I'm thinking about >>"who/what made this claim". > >OK, sorry I was sloppy there. We need both, actually. A lot of the >heat in this discussion seems to come from the cases where they >diverge, so A is asserting a triple using B's URI. > >> >>> Exactly what this means, and what >>> relationships there might be between the resource they come from, the >>> representations extracted from that resource using other Web >>> protocols, and what the concept name should be understood to denote, >>> can all be discussed at more length; but at least that would give us >>> a piton to nail into the rock. >> >>Actually, I can't separate what you're talking about here from the >>general "what does a URI mean" question, sorry. > >Oh, please. Did I use the M-word anywhere in that? Ive been trying >to find ways of completely avoiding ever saying 'meaning' when >referring to URIs. Provenances could be genuinely architectural. >Meanings are another matter altogether. > >Pat > Interestingly, the formalism for SHOE (the first web ontology language I was involved with) was based on what we called a claims logic -- we essentially said that the URIs used in SHOE (and it was URI based) were meant to represent claims -- that is if document D said the SHOE equivalent of A rdfs:subclass B then the knowledge base was updated with something like Claims(D, A rdfs:subclass B) this was routinely rejected whenever we submitted it to a conference because the AI folks said it was silly to use a higher order logic. However, it had a great feature -- the claims logic remains consistent even when the content doesn't (and is also monotonic) -- that is, there is no inconsistency in Claims(D, X) Claims(D, -X) the inconsistency would be in Claims(D,X) -Claims(D,X) which could not happen in SHOE (or on the web, unless one invents a mechanism for "not claiming" something - such as using a closed world assumption or the like) just a historical note. -- Professor James Hendler hendler@cs.umd.edu Director, Semantic Web and Agent Technologies 301-405-2696 Maryland Information and Network Dynamics Lab. 301-405-6707 (Fax) Univ of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 *** 240-277-3388 (Cell) http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/hendler *** NOTE CHANGED CELL NUMBER ***
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