- From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:06:31 +0100
- To: public-svg-wg@w3.org
Hello public-svg-wg,
Minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html
and below as text for trackbot.
SVG Working Group Teleconference
12 Jan 2009
[2]Agenda
[2] http://www.w3.org/mid/20090112005930.GB22797@arc.mcc.id.au
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
[IPcaller], heycam, ed, ChrisL, jwatt, Shepazu, Erik
Regrets
Anthony
Chair
Cameron
Scribe
ChrisL
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Sydney F2F update / agenda
2. [6]ISSUE-2194: Syntax of some list-type attributes in SVG
Tiny 1.2 incompatible with those in SVG 1.1
3. [7]RNG for role attribute / definition of roles for SVG
4. [8]SVG 1.1 errata / 2ed
5. [9]ISSUE-2198: Define the EventTarget for ProgressEvents
6. [10]ISSUE-2199: Underlying transform value erratum now
conflicts with 1.2T
7. [11]SVG in HTML
8. [12]SVG Tiny 1.2 errata to approve
9. [13]Test suite infrastructure
10. [14]Actions for people no longer active in WG
11. [15]MAE
* [16]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 12 January 2009
<scribe> Scribe: ChrisL
Sydney F2F update / agenda
CM: Anthony not here. Assume most folk know where it is, have hotel
etc. Will ping him
CL: Will I be able to dial into the meeting? I can't travel
DS: I have a skype phone bridge and could bring that. Need to call
in using skype
... Leonard also may want to dial in
CL: an australian phone number to call would also work for me
ISSUE-2194: Syntax of some list-type attributes in SVG Tiny 1.2
incompatible with those in SVG 1.1
issue-2194?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2194 -- Syntax of some list-type attributes in SVG
Tiny 1.2 incompatible with those in SVG 1.1 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2194
[17] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2194
C: Looked at 1.1 and 1.2T attributes that take lists, also comparing
what implementations accept. surprising variability in what they
accept
DS: Are they strict or lax?
<heycam> [18]http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/
[18] http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/
CM: mainly lax, not requiring spaces. Stared making a table to show
the results of this investigation
DS: Please add a key
... need to describe what multiple commas mean
CM: Common to see transform with zero comma-wsp but spec say
multiple comma-wsp
CL: Prefer not to specify ,,, as error because we could allow sparse
lists
DS: Ikivo had trailing semicolons as silently ignored
... Need to specify what the unspecified values are if we define it
CL: Yes it depends what its a list of
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to run tests from
[19]http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/ on Bitflash and
Ikivo [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[19] http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2392 - Run tests from
[21]http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/ on Bitflash and
Ikivo [on Chris Lilley - due 2009-01-19].
[21] http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/
This discussion relates to ACTION-2391
RNG for role attribute / definition of roles for SVG
<heycam> [22]http://www.w3.org/mid/431565625.20090108194301@w3.org
[22] http://www.w3.org/mid/431565625.20090108194301@w3.org
<heycam> CL: role is already in the rng for 1.2T
<heycam> CL: we need to liaise with WAI people to come up with roles
for maps/charts/etc.
<heycam> CL: andreas might be helpful for that, roles for maps
<heycam> CL: less clear who's the community to ask about charts
<heycam> CL: start outreach, find out what the accessibility/domain
specific people need
<heycam> CL: i think we should be publishing a note which lists
roles to use
<heycam> CL: it's clearly not an exhaustive list, you can come up
with new roles
<heycam> CL: for common things, we want them to use these roles we
list
<heycam> CL: kicking this off to the IG, at least for the maps one,
would be a good idea
<heycam> CL: talk also to semweb people
<heycam> CL: but keep it concrete
<heycam> CL: we need to get the accessibility people to talk to the
domain experts, too
<heycam> DS: by accessibility people, WAI members
This relates to ACTION-2036
ACTION-2036?
<trackbot> ACTION-2036 -- Chris Lilley to work with WAI PF for SVG
domain-specific role values. -- due 2008-05-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2036
[23] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2036
SVG 1.1 errata / 2ed
CL: Don't have any actions related to errata
ED; No progress yet on my actions there
JW: Not sure if I do
DS: Not yet
... There was one erratum regarding character cell that you raised
... we could talk more about that. SVGT1.2 cleans it up, erratum
should use same wording
JW: Sure, we can discuss that
ISSUE-2198: Define the EventTarget for ProgressEvents
<heycam> [24]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2198
[24] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2198
issue-2198?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2198 -- Define the EventTarget for ProgressEvents
-- RAISED
<trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2198
[25] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2198
ED: Need to define target of any progress event. We dont ref the
spec itself bt also we dont dfefine the target and clearly we should
DS: Liked the wording you proposed
CL: Liked the wording too
ED: So this is a 1.2T erratum?
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to add 1.2T erratum on eventTarget for
ProgressEvents [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2393 - Add 1.2T erratum on eventTarget for
ProgressEvents [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-01-19].
ISSUE-2199: Underlying transform value erratum now conflicts with 1.2T
issue-2199?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2199 -- Underlying transform value erratum now
conflicts with 1.2T -- RAISED
<trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2199
[27] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2199
CM: Mozilla pointed out that ther eis a conflict
<ed>
[28]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#cleanup-w
ording-underlying-value
[28] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#cleanup-wording-underlying-value
CM: erratum came out of discussions with Dr. Olaf. Scale 0 not scale
1. Wording in 1.1e was from 1.2T before we agreed with Olaf. So
needs an update
ED: Clear we intended to align with 1.2 so we should update it to
match
CL: Its a fairly localised change
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to update 1.1 erratum on underlying
transform values to match 1.2T [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2394 - Update 1.1 erratum on underlying
transform values to match 1.2T [on Cameron McCormack - due
2009-01-19].
SVG in HTML
DS: Please put that table in the wiki to allow others to collaborate
ED: Tables a pita to create in wiki syntax
CM: Allows easier comparison with what WhatWG is doing there
ED: Have been reading the HTML5 parse algorithm on errors, etc
DS: See they now allow font element, what about metadata
ED: Since they dissaalow other namespaces, you can't put RDF in the
metadata element
DS: probably intentional
<heycam>
javascript:(function(){%20document.body.innerHTML%20+=%20%22<style>.
comment%20{%20color:green;%20font-style:italic;%20display:inline;%20
margin-left:0;%20}</style>%22;%20function%20reveal(comment)%20{%20va
r%20pre%20=%20document.createElement(%22pre%22);%20pre.className%20=
%20%22comment%22;%20pre.textContent%20=%20%22<!--%22%20+%20comment.n
odeValue%20+%20%22-->%22;%20comment.parentNode.replaceChild(pre,%20c
omment);%20}%20var%20comments%20=%20document.evaluate(%22//
<heycam>
comment()%22,%20document,%20null,%20XPathResult.ORDERED_NODE_SNAPSHO
T_TYPE,%20null);%20for%20(var%20i%20=%200;%20i%20<%20comments.snapsh
otLength;%20++i)%20{%20reveal(comments.snapshotItem(i));%20}%20})()
comment()%22,%20document,%20null,%20XPathResult.ORDERED_NODE_SNAPSHO
T_TYPE,%20null);%20for%20(var%20i%20=%200;%20i%20<%20comments.snapsh
otLength;%20++i)%20{%20reveal(comments.snapshotItem(i));%20}%20})()
[30]http://tinyurl.com/unhide
[30] http://tinyurl.com/unhide
CM: Who will take the action to look at what HTML WG parsing
proposal is, document it and compare with ours
DS: Their description is pretty hard to follow
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to look at what HTML WG parsing proposal
is, document it and compare with ours [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2395 - look at what HTML WG parsing
proposal is, document it and compare with ours [on Cameron McCormack
- due 2009-01-19].
DS: Maybe ask Phillip Taylor about that?
SVG Tiny 1.2 errata to approve
<heycam>
[32]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/errata/errata.xml#glyph-d-at
tr
[32] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/errata/errata.xml#glyph-d-attr
<heycam>
[33]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/errata/errata.xml#asyncstatu
scallback-function
[33] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/errata/errata.xml#asyncstatuscallback-function
CL: First one is obviously correct
CM: Need to clarify that a plain ecmascript funtion rather thana
property can be used. Copied text from event listener
ED: Looks good to me
CM: It widens what can be passed, and also btw the test suite
already assumes this erratum
Rseolution: both errata are approved
Resolution: both errata are approved
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to add those two errata to the 1.2T errata
[recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2396 - Add those two errata to the 1.2T
errata [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-19].
ED: i had a small one about progress events
<ed>
[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JanMar/002
8.html
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JanMar/0028.html
I think the omission is an oversight, not a deliberate omission
DS: in favour of adding them
CL: me too
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to add 'loadstart', 'progress' and 'loadend'
as animation events [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2397 - Add 'loadstart', 'progress' and
'loadend' as animation events [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-01-19].
CL: Better to say all events are allowed except one that need a
contaxt
ED: Such as mousewheel, needs a direction
CL: Doesn't progress itself need a context?
ED: Keyup/down as well
... prgress can be used to indicate progress even if the amount is
not known
DS: In future we might want to add parameters to animations to allow
that sort of info to be passeed
Test suite infrastructure
ACTION-2373 is obseleted by an action on Erik to copy and then merge
in 1.2T fixes
close ACTION-2373
<trackbot> ACTION-2373 Ask Mike Smith to move the tests from old
archive to the new archive closed
I dont see eriks action
ED: Due to template changes, diff would be the entire file
CL: Thought we were only diffing the actual group with the test, not
the whoole file
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to copy the 1.1 test suite to 1.1SE tests,
then diff and merge in any relevant 1.2T fixes [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2398 - Copy the 1.1 test suite to 1.1SE
tests, then diff and merge in any relevant 1.2T fixes [on Erik
Dahlström - due 2009-01-19].
Actions for people no longer active in WG
Atanas (Tony) Zlatinski
[38]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/users/42284
[38] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/users/42284
two of those are old and concern previous discussions on html
parsing
close action-2034
<trackbot> ACTION-2034 Draft a proposal for the 3 phase parse model
and the SACs based parse model closed
close action-2061
<trackbot> ACTION-2061 Modify the cascading parser diagram closed
[39]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.2/Tiny/ImpReport.html
[39] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.2/Tiny/ImpReport.html
close action-2260
<trackbot> ACTION-2260 Fix Bitflash implementation to pass fragid
tests such as linking-frag-203-t.svg closed
close action-2265
<trackbot> ACTION-2265 Fix Bitflash impl. to pass media-video-202-t
closed
close action-2267
<trackbot> ACTION-2267 Fix Bitflash impl to pass
styling-inherit-03-t.svg closed
MAE
ED: Andy was going to update the spec for publication
close ACTION-2264
<trackbot> ACTION-2264 Fix Ikovo impl. to pass media-video-202-t
closed
<scribe> ACTION: Doug see if Niklas wants to finish up MAE [recorded
in [40]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2399 - See if Niklas wants to finish up
MAE [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-01-19].
<ed__> ACTION-2269?
<trackbot> ACTION-2269 -- Niklas Hagelroth to look into fixing
udom-glob-1 to 3 -- due 2008-10-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2269
[41] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2269
see ACTION-2354
ACTION-2354?
<trackbot> ACTION-2354 -- Niklas Hagelroth to have torkel email Doug
about MAE -- due 2008-11-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2354
[42] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2354
ED we could close ACTION-2269 as we removed the first udom glob test
and fixed the other two
close ACTION-2269
<trackbot> ACTION-2269 Look into fixing udom-glob-1 to 3 closed
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to look at what HTML WG parsing proposal is,
document it and compare with ours [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to add those two errata to the 1.2T errata
[recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to update 1.1 erratum on underlying transform
values to match 1.2T [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris to run tests from
[46]http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/ on Bitflash and
Ikivo [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug see if Niklas wants to finish up MAE [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to add 'loadstart', 'progress' and 'loadend' as
animation events [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to add 1.2T erratum on eventTarget for
ProgressEvents [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to copy the 1.1 test suite to 1.1SE tests, then
diff and merge in any relevant 1.2T fixes [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action07]
[46] http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/
[End of minutes]
--
Chris Lilley mailto:chris@w3.org
Technical Director, Interaction Domain
W3C Graphics Activity Lead
Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
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