- From: Anthony Grasso <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
- Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:03:52 +1100
- To: W3C SVG Public Working Group <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
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SVG Working Group Teleconference
04 Dec 2008
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
heycam, Shepazu, ed, anthony
Regrets
Chair
Erik
Scribe
anthony
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Welcome Mozilla
2. [5]Selectors API
3. [6]Errata Review
* [7]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 04 December 2008
<scribe> scribe: anthony
Welcome Mozilla
ED: JWatt will be representing Mozilla on the group
DS: He'll be on the telcons next week
Selectors API
ED: Anthony did you have time to review it
AG: No I haven't actually
DS: They will be happy with an earlier review
AG: Yes, we should send it ASAP
DS: I talk to Lachlan about the namespaces stuff
... rational for dropping it was one implementation and some there
some issues with it
... so all browsers will the non name spaces version implemented
... it's more important that they are more interoperable
... my recommendation is that we ask them if namespaces can be added
in later version
... and make changes that Erik recommends
... we prefer but not insist that namespaces be added in
ED: You are talking about NSResolver?
DS: Yes
ED: Don't think the problems will be any smaller if its added later
... if they mention DOM3 Xpath in the next version, I'd be ok with
that
Doug to Gather together the selectors API comments
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to Gather together the selectors API comments
[recorded in
[8]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2371 - Gather together the selectors API
comments [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-12-11].
<shepazu> [9]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml
[9] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml
<ed>
[10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/041
3.html
[10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0413.html
Errata Review
<ed>
[11]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#clippath-
pointer-events
[11]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#clippath-pointer-events
ED: There was an email saying that the clipping-and-pointer errata
was completed
DS: I posted a note to the list
... and Helder who followed up on this seems to be satisfied
CM: One minor wording suggestion
... maybe I'd use a word different from "occluded"
DS: We could just say "clipped parts of the element"
CM: Or clipped
DS: I was using "clipped" a lot
... looking at the word "occlude" in the dictionary says to block
off or conceal
ED: One thing I'm wondering is it doesn't seem to add anything to
the pointer events section
... should it do that?
DS: I don't think so
... We could say something in pointer events
ED: Do we mention masking there?
DS: Good point I don't think we mention what happens with masking
<ed>
[12]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#capturing
-pointer-events-zero-opacity
[12]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#capturing-pointer-events-zero-opacity
ED: Oh wait we do have one errata item about masking
DS: Chris was pushing for the "does not affect" wording
CM: The resolution is much clearer
DS: I think we should change the wording to what's in the resolution
... it's more clearer
ED: I agree
<shepazu>
[13]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#capturing
-pointer-events-zero-opacity
[13]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#capturing-pointer-events-zero-opacity
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to Propose revised wording for the errata item
"Capturing pointer-events with a zero opacity mask" to clarify it
with clip-path [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2372 - Propose revised wording for the
errata item \"Capturing pointer-events with a zero opacity mask\" to
clarify it with clip-path [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-12-11].
DS: You could have a mask and a clip path
ED: So you want to combine the two errata items?
DS: Not combine by differentiate the two
ED: I'd like to see some wording in the pointer events section
DS: That's what I'm going to do, is add wording to the pointer
events section that talks about masks and clip-path
[15]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#svgzoomev
ent-zoomrectscreen
[15]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#svgzoomevent-zoomrectscreen
AG: So this one here looks like it's completed
DS: For each of the errata that we move to proposed we need to make
a test for
ED: We should make the tests so that they follow the standard
template
... currently there are some tests that don't follow the standard
template
... we'll have to convert the tests so they follow the template
... so we can put them in the test directory but just keep them in
draft
DS: Did we want to have tests for each errata item. Because on one
hand it may slow us down but on the other it will ensure
interopability
... so I'll make up tests for clip-path and mask
CM: Do we want to divide up the other items
AG: There are some tests from the old archive need to be shifted
over
ED: We should move over the test template as well
... we have some tests in Tiny 1.2 that cover items in the errata
... we can use those
... the problem is what number do we give them?
DS: "11-"
ED: We could just keep the same number as in 1.2 Tiny
... One of the changes would to change xml:id to id
... or we could make a new template using SVG Fonts
DS: Another issue is that some of the tests for SVG Tiny 1.2 may not
be approved
CM: I don't remember how different the templates are
ED: The old template uses Doctype, doesn't use SVG Fonts
... also I don't think it had the same status values
DS: Are there any technical reasons to not use the new template?
AG: So the question is do keep the new tests separate from the
original archive or will they be combined?
ED: I think we'd make a new release of the new test suite
... I don't think the 1.2 Tiny template would be that bad if we used
it
... it's not too hard to change I think
... the only thing then would be stripping the xml:id and copying
the SVG Fonts
... or we could do it the easy way and using what we had for the 1.1
test suite
... would it be a good idea to move the old test suite to the new
repository?
... we need to keep the same revision number that is in the old
repository
DS: Mike Smith can do it
<ed> so move all of
[16]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.1/
to the new location [17]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/
[16] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.1/
[17] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/
AG: Do you want me to add tests from the errata in the old archive
to the new archive?
DS: Sure
<heycam> ACTION: Obama to implement change we can believe in
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Obama
<ed> trackbot: YES YOU CAN! ;D
<trackbot> Sorry, ed, I don't understand 'trackbot: YES YOU CAN!
;D'. Please refer to [19]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for
help
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to Ask Mike Smith to move the tests from old
archive to the new archive [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2373 - Ask Mike Smith to move the tests
from old archive to the new archive [on Doug Schepers - due
2008-12-11].
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to Make pointer event tests [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2374 - Make pointer event tests [on Doug
Schepers - due 2008-12-11].
DS: Need to be careful that some tests could be testing for fonts on
the host and not SVG Fonts
... it's think it is smart to change the tests over if you have time
... just need to be careful
ED: I think the new 1.2T template that has status and draft would be
more useful
DS: There are some changes that I'd like to make
... so links back to assertions in spec
... and the status, approved, one of them was confusing
... If Mike moves the tests over then we'll loose the revision
number?
CM: We'll still keep the history of the file
[22]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/test-case
s/
[22] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/test-cases/
RESOLUTION: The SVG Full 1.1 2nd Edition Tests will use the SVG Tiny
1.2 Test Suite template with some minor modifications
<scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Create an SVG Full 1.1 2nd Edition Test
Suite template from the SVG Tiny 1.2 Test Suite template [recorded
in [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2375 - Create an SVG Full 1.1 2nd Edition
Test Suite template from the SVG Tiny 1.2 Test Suite template [on
Anthony Grasso - due 2008-12-11].
[24]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#svgzoomev
ent-zoomrectscreen
[24]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#svgzoomevent-zoomrectscreen
AG: This was reported by JWatt, so not sure if we want to wait until
he can make the call
DS: Might be good to wait for him
[25]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#reword-f5
-tangents
[25] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#reword-f5-tangents
<ed> ACTION-2362
ED: This is the action that relates to the errata item
AG: That Action number should go into the errata
... I guess we can close off the old action and stick in the new one
underneath
[26]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#currenttr
anslate-currentscale-nested-svg
[26]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#currenttranslate-currentscale-nested-svg
<ed> ACTION-2368
ACTION-2368?
<trackbot> ACTION-2368 -- Doug Schepers to propose wording for the
change that addresses the errata item Current Translate Current
Scale on nested SVG -- due 2008-12-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2368
[27] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2368
AG: I'll add that action to the errata item
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Anthony to Create an SVG Full 1.1 2nd Edition Test
Suite template from the SVG Tiny 1.2 Test Suite template [recorded
in [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to Ask Mike Smith to move the tests from old
archive to the new archive [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to Gather together the selectors API comments
[recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to Make pointer event tests [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to Propose revised wording for the errata item
"Capturing pointer-events with a zero opacity mask" to clarify it
with clip-path [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Obama to implement change we can believe in [recorded
in [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action03]
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