- From: Anthony Grasso <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
- Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:05:26 +1100
- To: W3C SVG Public Working Group <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html --- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - SVG Working Group Teleconference 01 Dec 2008 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-irc Attendees Present Shepazu, heycam, anthony, NH, ed Regrets Chair Erik Scribe anthony Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Selectors API 2. [5]Errata * [6]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 01 December 2008 <NH> ??P1 is me <scribe> Scribe: anthony Selectors API DS: We should address this as early as possible ED: Was there anyone else going to review it? AG: I had an action to review it ... I'll do that today DS: Having looked at why the CSS WG decided to say never mind on that issue ... (namespaces) I inclined to let it go ... what do you guys to think? ... do we really want to the SVG WG to be the group that insists on namespaces ED: To me realistically want namespaces are you going to encounter? ... I can only see SVG and HTML5 as the opportunity to select only SVG or HTML elements ... and it's always possible to use DOM3 XPath if you need arbitrary selection support DS: If we pushed off namespaces to the second version there is a very good chance ... that people may not support that version CM: For the case of between SVG and HTML ... there is probably use the selector itself and look at the parent to clarify what it is [discussion on how selection works] DS: Lets assume that a version gets implemented that doesn't use namespaces ... I don't think it would be that much harder to implement ... as you're accumulating elements you can always just check the namespace URI attribute/property ... it would be slower, but only if you're using namespaces ... authors can always do the namespace URI check manually, it's just a pain ED: That's why I pushed for an example on the spec on this ... so people can see how to solve the problem DS: I'll have to go back and look through the whole namespaces thing ... David Baron said that someone had a spec with name spaces, and he argued that <ed> spec or impl? DS: it would go to rec quicker ... I don't know why they dropped it <shepazu> [7]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Nov/0538.html [7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Nov/0538.html CM: Do you know which implementations support CSS3 namespaces? ... just wondering the complexity is because of implementing namespace support in CSS in general or the NSResolver stuff in the Selectors API? DS: Not sure ED: I haven't looked into this I know that Opera has implemented some of this ... not in my hands to implement, but it would be quite simple to do ... the NSResolvers look fairly simple to me DS: I'll talk to Lachy and Boris and look at the rationale as why namespaces was removed <scribe> ACTION: Doug to Investigate why namespaces was removed [recorded in [8]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2364 - Investigate why namespaces was removed [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-12-08]. <shepazu> [9]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/011 5.html [9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0115.html DS: This seems to be the point at where Lachy says to remove it ... so maybe we should our comments in on Thursday instead ED: That would be good Errata <ed> [10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/041 1.html [10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0411.html CM: That looks like what we want ... should change "For example" to e.g. DS: I tried to word it in such a way that implementors could derive the value for boundingbox ED: I like the first paragraph there with the clippath and the boundingbox DS: It solves two issues what the boundingbox should be and where pointer events should occur ... How are we going to make the new spec? AG: How do you mean? DS: Are we going to make a new build process like Tiny 1.2 or are we going to do it manually? CM: Probably manually DS: Anthony can you make the changes please. Typos are "and" to "an" and "e.g" to "i.e" <shepazu> [11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xm l#clippath-pointer-events [11] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xml#clippath-pointer-events <ed> [12]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#clippath- pointer-events [12] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#clippath-pointer-events <shepazu> [13]http://www.svg-whiz.com/svg/HideShow.svg [13] http://www.svg-whiz.com/svg/HideShow.svg <scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Adds Doug proposed wording to the errata and make changes as discussed [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2365 - Adds Doug proposed wording to the errata and make changes as discussed [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-12-08]. <scribe> ACTION: Doug to Follow up errata proposal on the Email list to say that pointer events and clipping have been resolved [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2366 - Follow up errata proposal on the Email list to say that pointer events and clipping have been resolved [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-12-08]. <ed> [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/040 8.html [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0408.html ED: We did get an email from Niklas clamping of rx and ry values ... just wondering if we should errata this ... so I did start writing a new test for this particular issue ... from the testing so far we have more than two ways of doing it ... testing browsers AG: Did we specify anything in Tiny? ED: I think it was lifted from 1.1 <ed> [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/040 9.html [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0409.html NH: In emailed a second test ED: It does seem to make sense ... So maybe we should discuss briefly which way is more appropriate ... it is difficult to read from the spec which right way NH: I think we have two options either we to assign ry if it's not specified and clamp that ... or you should clamp all the way as my last email says ED: Do you have a preference NH: Actually it doesn't really matter for me ... easiest way would be to not clamp "ry" AG: I think in this case what is most intuitive when it comes to authoring ED: For for authoring I'd expect to be whatever is clamped for rx and ry ... then I'd expect that value to be used for the other attribute (not specified) NH: It's not that obvious <scribe> ACTION: Erik to Propose an errata item for rx and ry [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2367 - Propose an errata item for rx and ry [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-12-08]. ED: We can look at the current translate and current scale errata <ed> [19]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#currenttr anslate-currentscale-nested-svg [19] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#currenttranslate-currentscale-nested-svg ED: it has a resolution ... looks like Doug raised this DS: Not sure what the spec says right now ED: Probably only need to do changes in the structure chapter <scribe> ACTION: Doug to Propose wording for the change that addresses the errata item Current Translate Current Scale on nested SVG [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2368 - Propose wording for the change that addresses the errata item Current Translate Current Scale on nested SVG [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-12-08]. <shepazu> [21]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#errata [21] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#errata <ed> [22]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#bzwidth [22] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#bzwidth <ed> [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2005May/0022.html [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2005May/0022.html ED: There are no links there ... would be useful ... This is probably the start of it ... Might be a good idea to go through ... and find out if Tiny fixed this DS: We should give this serious thought about how this interacts with CSS ... we should start coordinating on little issues like this ... will help create a better working relationship with CSS ... The SVG spec should say what the width and height are and should also allow authors to use that more usefully ED: There were some changes in Firefox and Opera where the width and height on the SVG were ignored if the SVG was being used in an object tag ... we should definitely try to specify it better <ed> if there was width and height AND a viewbox...and the object had width and height...IIRC <scribe> ACTION: Doug to Investigate if WICD addresses some of the issues about scaling size interaction between SVG and CSS [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action06] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2369 - Investigate if WICD addresses some of the issues about scaling size interaction between SVG and CSS [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-12-08]. <scribe> ACTION: Erik to Go through the e-mailing thread for errata item "Sizing of the outermost svg" and update the item discussion [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action07] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2370 - Go through the e-mailing thread for errata item \"Sizing of the outermost svg\" and update the item discussion [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-12-08]. <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="../../../tools/errata/errata2xhtml.xsl"?> application/xslt+xml Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Anthony to Adds Doug proposed wording to the errata and make changes as discussed [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Doug to Follow up errata proposal on the Email list to say that pointer events and clipping have been resolved [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Doug to Investigate if WICD addresses some of the issues about scaling size interaction between SVG and CSS [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: Doug to Investigate why namespaces was removed [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Doug to Propose wording for the change that addresses the errata item Current Translate Current Scale on nested SVG [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Erik to Go through the e-mailing thread for errata item "Sizing of the outermost svg" and update the item discussion [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Erik to Propose an errata item for rx and ry [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html#action04] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [33]scribe.perl version 1.133 ([34]CVS log) $Date: 2008/12/01 21:00:40 $ _________________________________________________________ [33] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [34] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.133 of Date: 2008/01/18 18:48:51 Check for newer version at [35]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002 /scribe/ [35] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/to/that/ Succeeded: s/Barron/Baron/ Succeeded: s/CCS/CSS/ Succeeded: s/NS resolve/NSResolver/ Succeeded: s/Lochi/Lachy/ Succeeded: s/Lochi/Lachy/g Found Scribe: anthony Inferring ScribeNick: anthony Default Present: Shepazu, heycam, anthony, NH, ed Present: Shepazu heycam anthony NH ed Found Date: 01 Dec 2008 Guessing minutes URL: [36]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html People with action items: anthony doug erik [36] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/01-svg-minutes.html End of [37]scribe.perl diagnostic output] [37] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
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