- From: Erik Dahlström <ed@opera.com>
- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:11:32 +0100
- To: "public-svg-wg@w3.org" <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
Minutes available here: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/28-svg-minutes.html or in text format below: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - SVG Working Group Teleconference 28 Oct 2008 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/28-svg-irc Attendees Present ed_work, heycam, anthony, NH Regrets Chair SV_MEETING_CHAIR Scribe ed_work Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]About animate-elem-225-t.svg, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDe c/0293.html 2. [5]ISSUE-2166 3. [6]ISSUE-2163 4. [7]telcon time change 5. [8]ISSUE-2163 * [9]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <shepazu> 2022 <trackbot> Date: 28 October 2008 heh <shepazu> I should be done with the Disposition of Comments today (first draft) <heycam> oh, great [10]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=28&mo nth=10&year=2008&p1=188&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1 [10] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=28&month=10&year=2008&p1=188&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1 [11]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=4&mon th=11&year=2008&p1=188&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1&iv=0 [11] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=4&month=11&year=2008&p1=188&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1&iv=0 <heycam> [12]http://www.w3.org/mid/20081023005712.GH20693@arc.mcc.id.au [12] http://www.w3.org/mid/20081023005712.GH20693@arc.mcc.id.au <heycam> [13]http://www.w3.org/mid/20081023004437.GF20693@arc.mcc.id.au [13] http://www.w3.org/mid/20081023004437.GF20693@arc.mcc.id.au <scribe> scribeNick: ed_work [14]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/animate.html#AnimationAttributesAndPr operties [14] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/animate.html#AnimationAttributesAndProperties [15]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/animate.html#Animati onAttributesAndProperties [15] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/animate.html#AnimationAttributesAndProperties ED: so set didn't permit setting transform-lists in 1.1 either ... not sure what other implementations do though, we should test it CM: ok, I'll raise an issue for this ED: i agree it would be useful if set could set transform-lists <heycam> ISSUE-2166? <trackbot> ISSUE-2166 -- Animating @transform with <set> -- RAISED <trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2166 [16] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2166 About animate-elem-225-t.svg, [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0293.h tml [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0293.html CM: I think saying the same for 'end' that is to say it's indefinite if it's invalid is the same as not having the 'end' attribute at all ... if there is a slight difference in SMIL ... we could say it's an unsupported value instead <heycam> ISSUE-2088? <trackbot> ISSUE-2088 -- Painting chapter mentions optional color interpolation space, which is not described anywhere -- RAISED <trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2088 [18] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2088 CM: at the end of the painting chapter it says something about interpolating in some other colorspaces ... sounds like something from 1.1. AG: was added when svgprint extended svg tiny 1.2 ... so that the spec can be expanded on ... CL and me changed this a year ago ... we were addressing some other issue I think <anthony> [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-svg-minutes.html#item08 [19] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-svg-minutes.html#item08 AG: if the wording needs to be changed a bit that's fine CM: maybe add "Tiny 1.2 does not require support for..." AG: I could add a note after the full stop CM: maybe Jon Cruz expected there to be some way in tiny to specify which colorspace to use AG: there is a property in svg print CM: so maybe say that color-interpolation can take other values in other svg specs AG: specs may offer an alternative color-interpolation colorspace CM: the optional part sounds like an authoring thing rather than for the user agent ... oh, color-interpolation doesn't exist at all in tiny 1.2 <heycam> Future specifications may provide a means for specifying the interpolation color space. <anthony> Optionally user agents may use other specifications to specify an alternative interpolation color space. ED: future or past maybe, since 1.1 had the color-interpolation prop <heycam> Other SVG specifications may provide a means for color profiles to be provided in order to specify an alternative interpolation color space. [20]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2088 [20] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2088 [21]http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/ [21] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/ CM: i'll write proposed wording and send it to the wg list [22]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11 [22] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11 <NH> Hi, do we have a telcon? yes and hour ago ISSUE-2166 RESOLUTION: we leave set as it is for now in tiny 1.2, but revisit this issue in core-2 <anthony> ACTION: Anthony to Respond to Cameron's email regarding ISSUE-2166 [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/28-svg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2341 - Respond to Cameron's email regarding ISSUE-2166 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-11-04]. s/an hour ago/started an hour ago/ ISSUE-2163 CM: worried that this introduces requirements for UA:s rather than being something that is just for AT:s ... we don't have any tests for popup help windows ... two concerns: one is that we're adding a new feature late, and two i'm doubtful that it fits in well with roles (would be happy to hear what aria/role people have to say) ED: pointer to spec? <heycam> [24]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/struct.html#RoleAttr ibute [24] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/struct.html#RoleAttribute CM: looks like it's a should and not a must ... so it would be hard to test it anyway ... the contexthelp role isn't one of the roles that the WAI people have defined, it's defined by svg ... so we started adding 'role' only but we haven't had any discussion on what roles svg might define ED: I agree it would be nice to have one place/spec for svg-defined aria roles CM: I think changes in this particular section was based on comments from the wai area people ... I'd prefer to have one of the existing aria roles as an example, if that was the purpose of having this paragraph about contexthelp ED: would be good to hear what DS has to say about this CM: right, I'd like to hear what the intention was ... let's put this on the agenda for thursday <heycam> Archived-At CM: is everyone ok with actions on the LC comments ... DS has the most AG: anything we can take from him? CM: asked him before and he didn't say telcon time change <heycam> [25]http://mcc.id.au/2007/03/telcon/ [25] http://mcc.id.au/2007/03/telcon/ <shepazu> heycam, ARIA doesn't have a suitable role for contexthelp, "tooltip" is for the appearance, not the actual role <heycam> "tooltip" the role or the svg element? CM: note that the telcon time planner tool is based on the starting time of the telcon <shepazu> "tooltip" just means the popup infobox CM: it's not your availiblity, it's just when the telcon starts + 1.5h from that time <shepazu> not the semantic meaning <heycam> role="tooltip" you're saying? <shepazu> correct <heycam> oh there's no <tooltip> element is there =P <shepazu> no <shepazu> I talked with Al Gilman about this, and he acknowledges the distinction <heycam> i'm happy with that distinction then <heycam> but i'm still a bit concerned about the requirements for contexthelp to produce some visual behaviour AG: so based on what DS says do we just need to fill in some wording then? <heycam> since none of the roles that aria defines do that, and (if i understand correctly, which could well not be the case) isn't what roles are for ISSUE-2163 <heycam> but it's probably easier to discuss this on thursday on the call Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Anthony to Respond to Cameron's email regarding ISSUE-2166 [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/28-svg-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [27]scribe.perl version 1.133 ([28]CVS log) $Date: 2008/10/28 11:59:36 $ _________________________________________________________ [27] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [28] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.133 of Date: 2008/01/18 18:48:51 Check for newer version at [29]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002 /scribe/ [29] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) FAILED: s/an hour ago/started an hour ago/ Found ScribeNick: ed_work Inferring Scribes: ed_work Default Present: ed_work, heycam, anthony, NH Present: ed_work heycam anthony NH WARNING: No meeting chair found! 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