- From: Erik Dahlström <ed@opera.com>
- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:11:32 +0100
- To: "public-svg-wg@w3.org" <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
28 Oct 2008
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/28-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
ed_work, heycam, anthony, NH
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
ed_work
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]About animate-elem-225-t.svg,
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDe
c/0293.html
2. [5]ISSUE-2166
3. [6]ISSUE-2163
4. [7]telcon time change
5. [8]ISSUE-2163
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<shepazu> 2022
<trackbot> Date: 28 October 2008
heh
<shepazu> I should be done with the Disposition of Comments today
(first draft)
<heycam> oh, great
[10]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=28&mo
nth=10&year=2008&p1=188&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1
[10] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=28&month=10&year=2008&p1=188&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1
[11]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=4&mon
th=11&year=2008&p1=188&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1&iv=0
[11] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=4&month=11&year=2008&p1=188&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1&iv=0
<heycam>
[12]http://www.w3.org/mid/20081023005712.GH20693@arc.mcc.id.au
[12] http://www.w3.org/mid/20081023005712.GH20693@arc.mcc.id.au
<heycam>
[13]http://www.w3.org/mid/20081023004437.GF20693@arc.mcc.id.au
[13] http://www.w3.org/mid/20081023004437.GF20693@arc.mcc.id.au
<scribe> scribeNick: ed_work
[14]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/animate.html#AnimationAttributesAndPr
operties
[14] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/animate.html#AnimationAttributesAndProperties
[15]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/animate.html#Animati
onAttributesAndProperties
[15] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/animate.html#AnimationAttributesAndProperties
ED: so set didn't permit setting transform-lists in 1.1 either
... not sure what other implementations do though, we should test it
CM: ok, I'll raise an issue for this
ED: i agree it would be useful if set could set transform-lists
<heycam> ISSUE-2166?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2166 -- Animating @transform with <set> -- RAISED
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2166
[16] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2166
About animate-elem-225-t.svg,
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0293.h
tml
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0293.html
CM: I think saying the same for 'end' that is to say it's indefinite
if it's invalid is the same as not having the 'end' attribute at all
... if there is a slight difference in SMIL
... we could say it's an unsupported value instead
<heycam> ISSUE-2088?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2088 -- Painting chapter mentions optional color
interpolation space, which is not described anywhere -- RAISED
<trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2088
[18] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2088
CM: at the end of the painting chapter it says something about
interpolating in some other colorspaces
... sounds like something from 1.1.
AG: was added when svgprint extended svg tiny 1.2
... so that the spec can be expanded on
... CL and me changed this a year ago
... we were addressing some other issue I think
<anthony> [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-svg-minutes.html#item08
[19] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-svg-minutes.html#item08
AG: if the wording needs to be changed a bit that's fine
CM: maybe add "Tiny 1.2 does not require support for..."
AG: I could add a note after the full stop
CM: maybe Jon Cruz expected there to be some way in tiny to specify
which colorspace to use
AG: there is a property in svg print
CM: so maybe say that color-interpolation can take other values in
other svg specs
AG: specs may offer an alternative color-interpolation colorspace
CM: the optional part sounds like an authoring thing rather than for
the user agent
... oh, color-interpolation doesn't exist at all in tiny 1.2
<heycam> Future specifications may provide a means for specifying
the interpolation color space.
<anthony> Optionally user agents may use other specifications to
specify an alternative interpolation color space.
ED: future or past maybe, since 1.1 had the color-interpolation prop
<heycam> Other SVG specifications may provide a means for color
profiles to be provided in order to specify an alternative
interpolation color space.
[20]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2088
[20] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2088
[21]http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/
[21] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/
CM: i'll write proposed wording and send it to the wg list
[22]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11
[22] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11
<NH> Hi, do we have a telcon?
yes
and hour ago
ISSUE-2166
RESOLUTION: we leave set as it is for now in tiny 1.2, but revisit
this issue in core-2
<anthony> ACTION: Anthony to Respond to Cameron's email regarding
ISSUE-2166 [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/28-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2341 - Respond to Cameron's email
regarding ISSUE-2166 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-11-04].
s/an hour ago/started an hour ago/
ISSUE-2163
CM: worried that this introduces requirements for UA:s rather than
being something that is just for AT:s
... we don't have any tests for popup help windows
... two concerns: one is that we're adding a new feature late, and
two i'm doubtful that it fits in well with roles (would be happy to
hear what aria/role people have to say)
ED: pointer to spec?
<heycam>
[24]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/struct.html#RoleAttr
ibute
[24] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/struct.html#RoleAttribute
CM: looks like it's a should and not a must
... so it would be hard to test it anyway
... the contexthelp role isn't one of the roles that the WAI people
have defined, it's defined by svg
... so we started adding 'role' only but we haven't had any
discussion on what roles svg might define
ED: I agree it would be nice to have one place/spec for svg-defined
aria roles
CM: I think changes in this particular section was based on comments
from the wai area people
... I'd prefer to have one of the existing aria roles as an example,
if that was the purpose of having this paragraph about contexthelp
ED: would be good to hear what DS has to say about this
CM: right, I'd like to hear what the intention was
... let's put this on the agenda for thursday
<heycam> Archived-At
CM: is everyone ok with actions on the LC comments
... DS has the most
AG: anything we can take from him?
CM: asked him before and he didn't say
telcon time change
<heycam> [25]http://mcc.id.au/2007/03/telcon/
[25] http://mcc.id.au/2007/03/telcon/
<shepazu> heycam, ARIA doesn't have a suitable role for contexthelp,
"tooltip" is for the appearance, not the actual role
<heycam> "tooltip" the role or the svg element?
CM: note that the telcon time planner tool is based on the starting
time of the telcon
<shepazu> "tooltip" just means the popup infobox
CM: it's not your availiblity, it's just when the telcon starts +
1.5h from that time
<shepazu> not the semantic meaning
<heycam> role="tooltip" you're saying?
<shepazu> correct
<heycam> oh there's no <tooltip> element is there =P
<shepazu> no
<shepazu> I talked with Al Gilman about this, and he acknowledges
the distinction
<heycam> i'm happy with that distinction then
<heycam> but i'm still a bit concerned about the requirements for
contexthelp to produce some visual behaviour
AG: so based on what DS says do we just need to fill in some wording
then?
<heycam> since none of the roles that aria defines do that, and (if
i understand correctly, which could well not be the case) isn't what
roles are for
ISSUE-2163
<heycam> but it's probably easier to discuss this on thursday on the
call
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Anthony to Respond to Cameron's email regarding
ISSUE-2166 [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/28-svg-minutes.html#action01]
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