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SVG Working Group Teleconference
16 Oct 2008
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
ed_work, NH, aemmons
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
erik
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]ISSUE-2089
* [5]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 16 October 2008
[6]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11
[6] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11
[7]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2055
[7] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2055
<scribe> ACTION: ed to take over the scope-chain removal action from
heycam and address ISSUE-2055 [recorded in
[8]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2303 - Take over the scope-chain removal
action from heycam and address ISSUE-2055 [on Erik Dahlström - due
2008-10-23].
<shepazu> [9]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2141
[9] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2141
<shepazu> [10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2146
[10] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2146
RESOLUTION: Remove sentence "If the user agent cannot find a
graphics element or SVGElementInstance object to be the target
object (e.g., the pointer event occurs over the viewport
background), then the user agent must set the target object to be
the rootmost 'svg' element." from the interactivity chapter
RATIONALE: This was not in SVG 1.1, and also contradicts the
step-by-step instructions below
[11]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/master/interact.html.
diff?r1=1.55&r2=1.56&f=h
[11] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/master/interact.html.diff?r1=1.55&r2=1.56&f=h
<scribe> ACTION: DS to remove the sentence "If the user agent cannot
find a graphics element or SVGElementInstance object to be the
target object (e.g., the pointer event occurs over the viewport
background), then the user agent must set the target object to be
the rootmost 'svg' element." from the interactivity chapter and
respond to LC comment, ISSUE-2146 [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2304 - Remove the sentence \"If the user
agent cannot find a graphics element or SVGElementInstance object to
be the target object (e.g., the pointer event occurs over the
viewport background), then the user agent must set the target object
to be the rootmost 'svg' element.\" from the interactivity chapter
and respond to LC comment, ISSUE-2146 [on Doug Schepers - due
2008-10-23].
<shepazu> [13]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2148
[13] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2148
<scribe> ACTION: ed to Clarify script outside rootmost svg element
wording in the scripting chapter (ISSUE-2148) and respond to cyril
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2305 - Clarify script outside rootmost svg
element wording in the scripting chapter (ISSUE-2148) and respond to
cyril [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-23].
<shepazu> [15]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2098
[15] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2098
Modifying a 'script' element's 'xlink:href' attribute after its
"already processed" flag is set to true will not cause any new
script content to be fetched or executed.
not exactly it though
<scribe> ACTION: ed to address ISSUE-2098, the script element should
be removed but this won't affect script execution [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2306 - Address ISSUE-2098, the script
element should be removed but this won't affect script execution [on
Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-23].
<anthony> ed_work, shepazu, NH, just got back
hey anthony
<anthony> looks like Olaf got back to me about issue 2082
<anthony> I've closed that off
cool
<anthony> we need to discuss 2089
I've just committed what I hope will address ISSUE-2062
so, I think what's left there is to send a response to doh
I'll run make too, and check in the publish version in a moment
<anthony> ok
NH: ping?
trackbot, close ACTION-2285
<trackbot> ACTION-2285 Clarify the second point of Issue-2062 closed
<NH> I'll call in shortly, just got back from lunch
great ok
I think if someone wants to reply to ISSUE-2062 that should be
possible now
no more spec editing should be needed
trackbot, start telcon
<trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 16 October 2008
<scribe> scribe: erik
<scribe> scribeNick: ed_work
[17]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2089
[17] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2089
ISSUE-2089
AG: DOH gives an explanation of underlying values
... makes some conclusions based on the spec wording
... thinks it's just a misunderstand of SMIL
... and animateTranform is in conflict with the SMIL definitions
... not sure the suggestions are good since I'm not sure how it
affects animations
AG/AE: agree with the paragraph starting "my impression is"
<scribe> ACTION: AG to make changes as suggested by DOH for
ISSUE-2089 [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2307 - Make changes as suggested by DOH
for ISSUE-2089 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-23].
AG: the second part should probably be discussed more, but perhaps a
later discussion
AE: right, this is not a new problem
<scribe> ACTION: AG to draft an email response for the second half
of ISSUE-2089 [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2308 - Draft an email response for the
second half of ISSUE-2089 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-23].
<anthony> ISSUE-2062?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2062 -- foreignObject content and referenced
resource -- OPEN
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2062
[20] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2062
ED: I have added some clarifying wording to the spec, and chris
addressed the first part
<scribe> ACTION: AG to respond to DOH regarding ISSUE-2062 [recorded
in [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2309 - Respond to DOH regarding ISSUE-2062
[on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-23].
[22]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2141
[22] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2141
AG: looking at cvs log
... changing the example now
<scribe> ACTION: AG to verify that the example prefetch02.svg in the
structure chapter is really UTF-16, and fix it if so (ISSUE-2141)
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2310 - Verify that the example
prefetch02.svg in the structure chapter is really UTF-16, and fix it
if so (ISSUE-2141) [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-23].
[24]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2139
[24] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2139
AE: would like to know what other ppl thinks about this, but I don't
think eRR affects prefetch much
... I see that there is a relationship, and an informative note is
what he's asking for it seems
<scribe> ACTION: AE to send his opinion on ISSUE-2139 to the svgwg
list [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2311 - Send his opinion on ISSUE-2139 to
the svgwg list [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-10-23].
[26]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2147
[26] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2147
AE: he has a response with some suggestions
[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/011
7.html
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0117.html
[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/att
-0117/single-page.html
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/att-0117/single-page.html
AE: don't think he's added anything, just rearranged what was
already there
AG: he's rewritten some things
AE: i think the sentence in red should still be there
... i don't necessarily like how the last paragraph is done
... maybe we could move the terms around, so that the third
paragraph is the second
... I don't want to make any bigger changes at this point
ED: yeah, I like what he's done, the list for example, but we need
to verify that this has not changed what was in there before
<scribe> ACTION: AE to move the third paragraph in 14.1.6 to be the
second paragraph and to respond to cyril (ISSUE-2147) [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2312 - Move the third paragraph in 14.1.6
to be the second paragraph and to respond to cyril (ISSUE-2147) [on
Andrew Emmons - due 2008-10-23].
[30]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2143
[30] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2143
<scribe> ACTION: ed to respond to cyril regarding ISSUE-2143
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action11]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2313 - Respond to cyril regarding
ISSUE-2143 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-23].
[32]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2150
[32] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2150
ED: not sure either what 'required' attributes mean here
<scribe> ACTION: AE to verify that the removal of qouted section in
ISSUE-2150 would not impact the JSR-226 and 287 [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action12]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2314 - Verify that the removal of qouted
section in ISSUE-2150 would not impact the JSR-226 and 287 [on
Andrew Emmons - due 2008-10-23].
ED: I'd be ok with taking it out, it doesn't make sense to me
NH: I have no problem with taking it out either
... does it affect JSR-226 since it's tiny 1.1?
AE: they've asked us to not break their specs
... so we need to be a bit careful
NH: I might have to check up on this first
... will check it today
ED: don't understand his last question there
... in ISSUE-2150
AE: maybe if you have a script and the script throws an exception
would it put the document in error?
ED: right ok, I don't think it would
AE: agreed
[34]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2134
[34] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2134
ED: he's misread the spec for the conceptual g element, it says it
doesn't transfer the x,y,xml:base and xlink:href to the generated g
element
... I agree that the broken sentence there is strange
... I'll go through the cvs logs and see if I can find out
... he's correct about width and height on use, so the example needs
to be fixed
... i'd be happy if someone could take a look at the id:s and last
question about xml:base
<scribe> ACTION: ed to address ISSUE-2134 as indicated in these
minutes and respond to cyril [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action13]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2315 - Address ISSUE-2134 as indicated in
these minutes and respond to cyril [on Erik Dahlström - due
2008-10-23].
trackbot, make minutes
<trackbot> Sorry, ed_work, I don't understand 'trackbot, make
minutes'. Please refer to [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
for help
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
rrs-agent, make minutes
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: AE to move the third paragraph in 14.1.6 to be the
second paragraph and to respond to cyril (ISSUE-2147) [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: AE to send his opinion on ISSUE-2139 to the svgwg list
[recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: AE to verify that the removal of qouted section in
ISSUE-2150 would not impact the JSR-226 and 287 [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: AG to draft an email response for the second half of
ISSUE-2089 [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: AG to make changes as suggested by DOH for ISSUE-2089
[recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: AG to respond to DOH regarding ISSUE-2062 [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: AG to verify that the example prefetch02.svg in the
structure chapter is really UTF-16, and fix it if so (ISSUE-2141)
[recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: DS to remove the sentence "If the user agent cannot
find a graphics element or SVGElementInstance object to be the
target object (e.g., the pointer event occurs over the viewport
background), then the user agent must set the target object to be
the rootmost 'svg' element." from the interactivity chapter and
respond to LC comment, ISSUE-2146 [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: ed to address ISSUE-2098, the script element should be
removed but this won't affect script execution [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: ed to address ISSUE-2134 as indicated in these minutes
and respond to cyril [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: ed to Clarify script outside rootmost svg element
wording in the scripting chapter (ISSUE-2148) and respond to cyril
[recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: ed to respond to cyril regarding ISSUE-2143 [recorded
in [48]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: ed to take over the scope-chain removal action from
heycam and address ISSUE-2055 [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-svg-minutes.html#action01]
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Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
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