- From: Anthony Grasso <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
- Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:03:51 +1000
- To: W3C SVG Public Working Group <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
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SVG Working Group Teleconference
09 Oct 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0028.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
[IPcaller], ed, lee, anthony, Shepazu, Doug_Schepers
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
erik, anthony
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Tests that depend on NOT_SUPPORTED_ERR exceptions from
TraitAccess
2. [6]Implementation report
3. [7]Last Call Comments
* [8]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 09 October 2008
[9]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/
[9] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/
<scribe> scribe: erik
<scribe> scribeNick: ed
Tests that depend on NOT_SUPPORTED_ERR exceptions from TraitAccess
[10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/001
6.html
[10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0016.html
ED: future specs may allow it
<anthony> scribe: anthony
<ed> [11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2094
[11] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2094
ED: This issue is related for trait access on animation elements
... is this something we should allow?
... would it give any effect if you didn't throw an exception?
LM: Not sure
<ed>
[12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Oct/0028.html
[12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Oct/0028.html
ED: [Explains Opera behavior]
... the above link is somewhat related
... not sure on the best way to solve this
AG: What's he recommending?
ED: He suggests that set trait should not throw
... but no indication as to what to change the behavior to
... would be good to have a clear resolution that addresses this
comment
LM: How many sub-cases involved?
ED: 3 or 4 tests
... I think 1 or 2 of those are just because of this requirement
... what I could do is go through and review those tests
... I'd like to remove the tests that rely on the exceptions
... and wait for feedback
... if there is no feedback we can wait for the next version
LM: Fine with me
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to Remove the sub tests from the trait tests
that relies on not supported error to be thrown [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2282 - Remove the sub tests from the trait
tests that relies on not supported error to be thrown [on Erik
Dahlström - due 2008-10-16].
Implementation report
ED: We have a report in CVS
<ed> bitflash now passes styling_inherit_03, linking-frag-203
<ed> opera now passes udom-glob-203 and 204
<ed> and by changing udom-glob-202 to use new Location syntax three
implementations pass (firefox, opera, safari)
ED: When do we expect to make the final report?
DS: We are doing that at TPAC
ED: We have a few tests at risk but much less than before
... did we want to postpone verification at TPAC?
... it would probably be a good idea to keep this updated
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to convert the Xls spread sheet into HTML
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2283 - Convert the Xls spread sheet into
HTML [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-10-16].
DS: We can update the chart then verify at TPAC
Last Call Comments
<ed> [15]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11
[15] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11
ISSUE-2064?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2064 -- type or typeof? -- OPEN
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2064
[16] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2064
ED: I completed an action to make type animatable for image, audio
and video
... that's committed and done
... not sure if that address all of his comment
DS: Didn't I have an action to respond once that was done?
ED: Ok, can move on then
ISSUE-2066?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2066 -- datatype (5.10.1) -- RAISED
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2066
[17] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2066
DS: I think I did resolve this
ISSUE-2068?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2068 -- focusHighlight must be inheritable --
RAISED
<trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2068
[18] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2068
DS: I have an action about this
... and we decided not to change it
ISSUE-2073?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2073 -- inverse and constrained transformations --
RAISED
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2073
[19] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2073
ED: He's asking what happens with animation if you get a
non-invertable matrix
... I guess it is possible animating between values
AG: Not sure
ED: Would somehow have to get a rounding value that works
DS: Does have a suggestion about what we should do
ED: From what I read he's suggesting to test it first
AG: Wouldn't that slow you down for a large animation
ED: Might be a good idea to ask for examples or tests
... if you have a non-scaling stroke you might see this
... I think he's right about that
AG: We could put a warning in
ED: He has suggested to put a warning in for authors
DS: I'd suggest we put a warning in
<scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Put a warning in the spec regarding
non-invertable matrices when animating transforms. Email back Dr
Hoffmann [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2284 - Put a warning in the spec regarding
non-invertable matrices when animating transforms. Email back Dr
Hoffmann [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-16].
ISSUE-2062?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2062 -- foreignObject content and referenced
resource -- RAISED
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2062
[21] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2062
ED: His second and third points are left to discuss
... I agree fully with the 2nd point there
... the spec has no description on this
... I think that if you have xlink:href then you render that
... then if you don't render child content
... I think Chris has an action to address the first point and part
of the 2nd
DS: It's completely unspecified what happens
... we're essentially adding functionality here
... seems unreasonable to me
ED: It's not really testable though
... can't really rely on it being handled
... I'd probably prefer it to be defined rather than undefined
DS: I'm not sure it was a good idea to add the xlink:href attribute
AG: Not sure if we can remove it
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to Clarify the second point of Issue-2062
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2285 - Clarify the second point of
Issue-2062 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-16].
ED: The third part is about how it doesn't create it's own viewPort
... I'm not sure really what to do there
... was this something we decided a long time ago?
DS: No idea
... but it seems to me it should
ED: I agree
AG: Is that a new feature then?
DS: We could say it's not for Tiny because we don't let things
establish new viewPorts in Tiny
ED: Chris had an action about restricting foreignObject
... I'd prefer to align with 1.1
DS: Are you saying it should establish it's own viewPort in Tiny?
ED: I think it should
... but how it is used by the foreign content is up to the foreign
content
... it'd be kind of strange if foreignObject could be drawn anywhere
without any defined area
DS: Yes it would be strange - but do we have anything else that
defines its own viewPort in Tiny?
ED: We have animation
DS: Are we going to need to make tests for this?
ED: Quite difficult because it's foreign content
DS: My concern is passing implementations for this
LM: We do do foreignObject handling
... not sure what our status is about viewPort though
... we do handle it to some degree
ED: So Opera does handling
... there is handling in FF
... but not with the xlink:href
LM: I think we'd have to create a test to find out what everyones
status is
ISSUE-2074?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2074 -- WAI-ARIA use of @role as discussed under
'extensible metadata attributes' -- RAISED
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2074
[23] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2074
DS: I've replied to Al
... I've changed the spec to use the modified version of his wording
... hopefully we'll get a reply back
ISSUE-2076?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2076 -- should @role in SVG be animatable? --
RAISED
<trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2076
[24] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2076
DS: I've replied to Al
... I explained why I think it should be animatable
... not sure if this is a satisfactory answer to him
ISSUE-2077?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2077 -- font-variant not animatable -- RAISED
<trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2077
[25] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2077
ED: This is pretty simple
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to Change font-variant so that it is
animatable and send a reply email [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2286 - Change font-variant so that it is
animatable and send a reply email [on Erik Dahlström - due
2008-10-16].
ISSUE-2079?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2079 -- Better specify the effects of audio and
rendering -- RAISED
<trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2079
[27] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2079
DS: I have an action I haven't completed on this yet
ED: It's pending review
... is it completed?
DS: No will be finished today
ISSUE-2080?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2080 -- Clarify focusable=auto -- RAISED
<trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2080
[28] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2080
ED: This comment was raised in the Test Fest
... I did make changes to clarify the behavior
... I think Niklas raised the issue
... I can mail the list and check if my change is ok
ISSUE-2081?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2081 -- target element for an animation -- RAISED
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2081
[29] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2081
DS: He does make a suggestion about what to do
... we should hold off until tomorrow and everyone should read his
issues before then
ISSUE-2087?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2087 -- Replace gotoLocation with a subset of
Window.location -- RAISED
<trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2087
[30] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2087
ED: I raised
... I have committed the proposed changes to the spec
... and got feedback from Cameron and made fixes
... All I need is feedback to say this is ok and to commit test
chagnes
<ed> ACTION: ed to change udom-glob-202 to use Location.assign
instead of gotoLocation [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2287 - Change udom-glob-202 to use
Location.assign instead of gotoLocation [on Erik Dahlström - due
2008-10-16].
ED: If there are no objections now, I will close the issue and
change the tests
ISSUE-2090?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2090 -- @aria-foo atributes: un-prefixed,
forbidden? -- RAISED
<trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2090
[32] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2090
DS: I responded to Al
... waiting to hear back
ISSUE-2081?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2081 -- target element for an animation -- RAISED
<trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2081
[33] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2081
ED: He has a suggestion
... I'd be fine with the first suggestion
... I'd be ok with the second one as well
... He raises a last question what would the applicable target
element would be
... Doing the changes would be pretty simple
<scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Make changes as per the suggestions by
Dr Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2081 and send a reply email [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2288 - Make changes as per the suggestions
by Dr Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2081 and send a reply email [on
Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-16].
ISSUE-2082?
RSSAgent, make minutes
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Anthony to Make changes as per the suggestions by Dr
Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2081 and send a reply email [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Anthony to Put a warning in the spec regarding
non-invertable matrices when animating transforms. Email back Dr
Hoffmann [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to convert the Xls spread sheet into HTML
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: ed to change udom-glob-202 to use Location.assign
instead of gotoLocation [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to Change font-variant so that it is animatable
and send a reply email [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to Clarify the second point of Issue-2062
[recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to Remove the sub tests from the trait tests that
relies on not supported error to be thrown [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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