- From: Erik Dahlstrom <ed@opera.com>
- Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:08:05 +0200
- To: public-svg-wg@w3.org
Hello svg-wg,
find the minutes from the May 29 telcon here:
http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html
or in text format below:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
29 May 2008
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0068.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
Andrew_Emmons, Doug, anthony, ed, +1.214.557.aaaa, ChrisL,
zlatinski
Regrets
Chair
AE
Scribe
Erik
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Errors in approved tests
2. [6]public cvs transition
3. [7]the open edits action review
4. [8]animate-elem-224
5. [9]unanswered questions on www-svg
6. [10]XHR review
7. [11]SVG WG F2F
8. [12]testfest
9. [13]telcon times
* [14]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot-ng> Date: 29 May 2008
<scribe> scribe: Erik
<scribe> scribeNick: ed
<ChrisL> I answered a couple of Kalles font questions
<ChrisL>
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0053.html
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0053.html
<ChrisL>
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0055.html
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0055.html
<aemmons>
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/006
8.html
[17]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0068.html
Errors in approved tests
<aemmons>
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/006
5.html
[18]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0065.html
ED: so these tests are invalid as I see it, how do we proceed?
CL: mark them as non-approved, and take them out for this release
... Kalle also writes that there are additional tests that are
invalid
... some of the converted 1.1 tests
AE: we'd have to reprocess the testsuite after this, right AG?
AG: yes, but it's all ready, just run some scripts
AE: AG will you mark tests as non-approved, and re-run the scripts?
AG: sure
... which ones should I unapprove?
CL: fonts-gyph-03 is ok
... text-intro-03 I'll fix that now
AE: ok, so that will be fixed now before we do the publication
AG: ok, will have testsuite ready for publication on tuesday next
week
CL: the process of publishing is not that difficult, we just need to
decide to do it
AE: so let's do the publication on tuesday next week
<anthony> ACTION: anthony to send an email out asking for tests to
un-approve and to regenerate the test suite based on the feedback
[recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2044 - Send an email out asking for
tests to un-approve and to regenerate the test suite based on the
feedback [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-06-05].
RESOLUTION: we will publish the 1.2T testsuite on wednesday June 4,
all pending changes need to be in before tuesday
public cvs transition
AE: status update?
... doug was trying to get the repository added, but we didn't
assign anyone to move stuff over
... is that something only the staff contact can do?
CL: everyone in the group needs cvs access
... so that we can all read and write to it
AE: once that's in place anyone can do that
CL: yes, but we need to be careful with revision numbers (especially
on the testsuite)
AE: and the history will be lost
CL: yes
... the 1.2T spec, 1.2 specs and 1.1 errata should be moved
<ChrisL> need to talk to systems team to ensure all wg members have
read write cvs access
AE: who wants to do that?
CL: i can do that
AE: just needs to be coordinated so that we don't check into the old
cvs-space
... decide on a time, or send an email about it?
CL: will send email
<scribe> ACTION: CL to move the 1.2T spec, 1.2 modules, 1.1 errata
to the new public cvs-space [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2045 - Move the 1.2T spec, 1.2 modules,
1.1 errata to the new public cvs-space [on Chris Lilley - due
2008-06-05].
the open edits action review
<aemmons_>
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/006
4.html
[21]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0064.html
AE: I'll start sending out weekly updates on edits, to make sure
that actions are kept at a minimal level
... since the spec was changed after tests were made
animate-elem-224
<aemmons_>
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/006
3.html
[22]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0063.html
AE: this is in response to our review comments (from the F2F) about
making a simpler test
... just wanted to respond, the tests are complex and that makes it
take longer to review them
TZ: it tests many things at once, it was difficult to verify it
AE: yes, there are a few tests like it
... is it worth trying to make the tests simpler?
CL: he's synthesizing a quadratic curve
... suggest putting it out
... i'm worried if it requires particular precision
AE: the expected result is way different from what's actually
happening
TZ: it's also made more complex because of the multiple animations
... i'm going to let the implementors judge if it's easy enough
... and that it's testable
AE: because it's a complex test we'd have to debug it over the
course of several days
... it's a resource issue
TZ: is it just this test, or are the others that players don't pass?
AE: there are others
TZ: i could take a look at those tests in house and see if we can
verify them
... I'm going to ask the developers to verify the correctness of the
tests
CL: this particular ones can't be simplified
... he's correct that you can't simplify it if you want to have a
curve
... he's testing two combined animations on one attribute
... otherwise it would just be animated on a line
... since it's a quadratic curve and svg has quadratic curves he can
show the correct trajectory
... think the test is correct
AE: I can email the group with the list of DOH tests that are still
left to review
CL: right, but this one is fairly simple still
<scribe> ACTION: TZ to review the 1.2T DOH tests that are still
unreviewed (AE will send a list of the tests to public-svg-wg)
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - TZ
<scribe> ACTION: atanas to review the 1.2T DOH tests that are still
unreviewed (AE will send a list of the tests to public-svg-wg)
[recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2046 - Review the 1.2T DOH tests that
are still unreviewed (AE will send a list of the tests to
public-svg-wg) [on Atanas (Tony) Zlatinski - due 2008-06-05].
<scribe> ACTION: AE to email DOH to say that we're doing additional
review on his tests [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2047 - Email DOH to say that we're
doing additional review on his tests [on Andrew Emmons - due
2008-06-05].
<aemmons_>
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0047.html
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0047.html
unanswered questions on www-svg
AE: some of these have been discussed
CL: I've responded to the first two
AE: no spec changes?
CL: not in svg, but in css
<ChrisL> clarifications, not conformance changes
AE: for the third one, cameron have already had some feedback but
there's been no official response
CL: I'm halfway through that one
AE: ok, the last one then
CL: he's correct
... the spec says that xml:space applies to text block elements,
which is text and textarea only
... the test puts in on tspan
... which should be possible
... but we need to edit the spec
... just going to check the current spec
... it refers to text element content
... need to say that xml:space also applies to children of text
element content
... we need to errata 1.1 and change 1.2T
DS: I started to add a definition for text content child elements,
since you may have a title for example
... or an anchor tag
<scribe> ACTION: CL to add the child definition of text content
element to cover the xml:space issue and add an errata 1.1 item, and
fix the 1.2T spec, and reply to kalle [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2048 - Add the child definition of text
content element to cover the xml:space issue and add an errata 1.1
item, and fix the 1.2T spec, and reply to kalle [on Chris Lilley -
due 2008-06-05].
AE: do we need to track the list better, and make sure it's on the
agenda each week?
CL: yes, and reply to each message quickly with links to the public
minutes
AE: yes
<ChrisL> its the same text in the repository version
<ChrisL>
[28]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/spec/mobile/1.2/
1.2NG/publish/intro.html#TermTextContentBlockElement
[28]
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/spec/mobile/1.2/1.2NG/publish/intro.html#TermTextContentBlockElement
DS: using tracker would be useful, many things falls through the
cracks
... in trying to answer to questions, we should still prioritize
spec work, we should set aside about 30 mins each telcon for that
AE: do you suggest putting things in the issue tracker as soon as
they come in?
CL: the new tracker can create agendas from the open issues and
actions
... based on due dates too
AE: the public can't add issues though?
CL: right
... but they can read it
DS: better than the bugtracker
... having two tracking systems is a bad idea
AE: right, so just paying attention to the www-svg list and adding
them to the issue tracker would be a good idea
<aemmons_>
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/006
1.html
[29]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0061.html
XHR review
AE,CL: haven't had time to review
DS: have read it, has alot of dependencies on HTML5
... have asked for something saying that the host language defines
somethings
... there are definitions of terms that are defined in HTML5
... the content-type, if you have an XML type do this, otherwise
refer to HTML5
... need to read through it
... reversing the dependency chain would be an option
AE: so svg couldn't reference this, since it has HTML5 dependencies
DS: it wouldn't be neat, but I don't agree with your statement
... it has provisions for processing XML
... it's not exclusive to HTML5
AE: what's the due date?
ED: June 2
DS: it's unlikely the dependencies will change unless defined
elsewhere
AE: if we want to have a formal review we need to get it done soon
... so, the dependencies on HTML5
DS: right, but it's small parts of it still
TZ: is it possible to do our own interface?
DS: we've done that already, but we will try to use XHR in the
future
... that's the preference
AE: in order to get a review we need reviews to the list and to
compile the list of comments
<ChrisL> i was dropped from the call, redialing
DS: I'll review it, ed and heycam should do it too
... we could ask for an extension
... will do that
CL: right, so we can do that and still try to get review comments in
order
<scribe> ACTION: heycam to review the XHR spec and send to
public-svg-wg [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - heycam
<scribe> ACTION: cameron to review the XHR spec and send to
public-svg-wg [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2049 - Review the XHR spec and send to
public-svg-wg [on Cameron McCormack - due 2008-06-05].
<scribe> ACTION: DS to review the XHR spec and send comments to
public-svg-wg [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2050 - Review the XHR spec and send
comments to public-svg-wg [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-06-05].
<scribe> ACTION: ED to review the XHR spec and send comments to
public-svg-wg [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2051 - Review the XHR spec and send
comments to public-svg-wg [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-06-05].
<anthony>
[34]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Nuremburg_F2F_2008
[34] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Nuremburg_F2F_2008
SVG WG F2F
ED: can we confirm these are the correct dates?
CL: if we have a testfest before then we also need to decide those
dates
<scribe> ACTION: to respond to alexander adams about the SVG WG F2F
nuremberg dates, and get information for the wiki [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action11]
<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
<scribe> ACTION: ED to respond to alexander adams about the SVG WG
F2F nuremberg dates, and get information for the wiki [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action12]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2052 - Respond to alexander adams about
the SVG WG F2F nuremberg dates, and get information for the wiki [on
Erik Dahlström - due 2008-06-05].
testfest
AE: not sure if I can travel for personal reasons
CL: not a problem, w3c staff can run the tests if the implementation
is available
AE: so we need to pick a date and location
CL: if we have it sooner we'll get results quicker, but later if we
want better results
... thinking july perhaps, in good time before the svg open?
AE: so a virtual testfest is perhaps an idea, so that we don't all
have to be present at some location
CL: if people have travelled somewhere, you get the attention of
everyone, and can ask anyone for running paricular tests
AG: we could also do it right before the nuremberg f2f
AE: how many more testfests do we need you think?
... it's resource intensive
... we could take time from the f2f to do it
DS: if we're having a testfest in raleigh, i'd have to get somewhere
for us to meet
AE: maybe not decide now, but we should try to nail this down for
next week
telcon times
DS: this time doesn't work well for heycam
... don't want to lose him from the team
... especially given the constraints stuff
... is it possible to have telcons at different times?
ED,CL: yes, no problem
CL: moving it later wouldn't make it worse for him, since he can't
do this time either
DS: if we moved it back to the original time he could make it
... we moved it because of TZ
... we could have one late and one early call
... if we can't find a suitable time for everyone
AE: so we would fluctuate between heycam and slim
RESOLUTION: for tuesdays, let's do the new time, thursdays let's do
the old time
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: AE to email DOH to say that we're doing additional
review on his tests [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: anthony to send an email out asking for tests to
un-approve and to regenerate the test suite based on the feedback
[recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: atanas to review the 1.2T DOH tests that are still
unreviewed (AE will send a list of the tests to public-svg-wg)
[recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: cameron to review the XHR spec and send to
public-svg-wg [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: CL to add the child definition of text content element
to cover the xml:space issue and add an errata 1.1 item, and fix the
1.2T spec, and reply to kalle [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: CL to move the 1.2T spec, 1.2 modules, 1.1 errata to
the new public cvs-space [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: DS to review the XHR spec and send comments to
public-svg-wg [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: ED to respond to alexander adams about the SVG WG F2F
nuremberg dates, and get information for the wiki [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: ED to review the XHR spec and send comments to
public-svg-wg [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: heycam to review the XHR spec and send to
public-svg-wg [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: to respond to alexander adams about the SVG WG F2F
nuremberg dates, and get information for the wiki [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: TZ to review the 1.2T DOH tests that are still
unreviewed (AE will send a list of the tests to public-svg-wg)
[recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/29-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[End of minutes]
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