- From: Andreas Neumann <a.neumann@carto.net>
- Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 14:07:15 +0200
- To: public-svg-wg@w3.org
Please find the minutes of the Tuesday, May 6 2008 telcon at
http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-svg-minutes.html or as text below:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
06 May 2008
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0012.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
Andreas_Neumann, aemmons, ed, ChrisL, anthony, shepazu
Regrets
Chair
Erik
Scribe
Andreas Neumann
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ISSUE-2001 - (font-face-dtd): Prose describing <font>
content model does not match DTD [SVG Full 1.1]
2. [6]Japanese Layout Task Force meeting
3. [7]XHTML role review
4. [8]Testsuite issues / actions
5. [9]substring length errata
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot-ng> Date: 06 May 2008
<ChrisL> trackbot-ng, status
<ChrisL> hi
<scribe> Scribe: Andreas Neumann
<scribe> ScribeNick: aneumann
ISSUE-2001 - (font-face-dtd): Prose describing <font> content model
does not match DTD [SVG Full 1.1]
ED: we discussed it in a previous telcon but did not have a quorum
... in the SVG 1.1 font chapter it says that the font-face element
can't appear everywhere where the font element can appear
<ed>
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/000
5.html
[11]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0005.html
<ed> [12]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/fonts.html#id5195633
[12] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/fonts.html#id5195633
<ChrisL> "When used to describe the characteristics of an SVG font
contained within the same document, it is recommended that the
'font-face' element be a child of the 'font' element it is
describing so that the 'font' element can be self-contained and
fully-described."
<ChrisL> implying it need no always be a child of the font element
CL: proposal is to allow it everywhere where font is allowed?
ED: yes font and font-face should be usable at the same places
<ChrisL> Ok that brings it into line with 1.2T as well. In favour
<ChrisL> add the font-face element to Font.class
CL: any issues with recursitivity?
ED: no, can't be nested
<ChrisL> this change in section 20.9.1 Font Content Set and the DTD
itself
RESOLUTION: add the font-face element to Font.class
<ChrisL> the DTD is correct already?
<scribe> ACTION: ED to errata the font section and allow font-face
everywhere where font is allowed [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2007 - Errata the font section and
allow font-face everywhere where font is allowed [on Erik Dahlström
- due 2008-05-13].
Japanese Layout Task Force meeting
ED: anyone interested in attending the meeting?
CL: probably, yes
... will reply to Felix
... the meeting seems to be postponed
... but not the TPAC one
<ChrisL> never mind, its the one in April that was postponed, not
the TPAC one
XHTML role review
ED:
a few reviews were sent to the public list, from DOH and me
any further review comments should be sent this week
ED: any additional comments?
<ed>
[14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/000
7.html
[14]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0007.html
ED: my short review
<ed>
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0058.h
tml
[15]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0058.html
CL: I'd say we look forward to working with you on this issue
<ChrisL> Add 'we look forward toworking with WAI PF to define roles
suitable for common types of graphis such as maps, charts, etc'
CL: you are asking for the roles to be informative and not normative
ED: its not a complete list
CL: maybe better state it in your reasoning
<ChrisL> say why in the comment, then
CL: I think DOH is only referering to our text element
<ChrisL> first para, change "the elements
<ChrisL> in SVG" to "the text elements
<ChrisL> in SVG
CL: he is correct about text, but other elements do have semantics
<ChrisL> Agree with his point in general
<shepazu> it would also be good for text that doesn't use paragraphs
or headings, like poetry, lyrics, etc.
<ChrisL> Additional comment; Its is a pity that no RelaxNG
implementation is provided. Please consider adding one.
CL: they only have DTD and W3C XML Schema
<scribe> ACTION: ED to send in comments about XHTML role attribute
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2008 - Send in comments about XHTML
role attribute [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-05-13].
Testsuite issues / actions
ED: AE added a lot of new test cases
CL: reviewing before the F2F would be good
<aemmons> [17]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/TestReview
[17] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/TestReview
AE: tests are quite different - testing the API
... code layout will need reworking
CL: pretty print in Oxygen can help
<ChrisL> In oxygen - document xml document, format/indent
CL: already reviewed tests should be marked as done
AG: we should also have a comment column
ED: will review SVGMatrix and SVGLocatable
<ChrisL> i will do the color one
<ChrisL> yes
AE: maybe we should involve other implementors like Ikivo more
CL: Doug as staff contact could deal with it - Ikivo should have a
representative again
DS: already asked a couple times. Andy seems to be very busy
... they should also send in the revision of MAE
AE: the goal would be to review them before the F2F
<scribe> ACTION: AG to move Test review allocation table to the new
wiki and add comment and reviewed column [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2009 - Move Test review allocation
table to the new wiki and add comment and reviewed column [on
Anthony Grasso - due 2008-05-13].
substring length errata
<ed> [19]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/335
[19] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/335
it affects the ACID3 test
ED: its not clear for ligatures or
<ed> surrogate pairs
ED: other TEXT DOM methods specify explicitly what happens in this
case
... my proposal is to add a similar sentence to
SVGTextContentElement.getSubStringLength definition
<ed>
[20]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/text.html#InterfaceSVGTextContentElem
ent
[20]
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/text.html#InterfaceSVGTextContentElement
CL: you should never be able to break in the middle of a surrogate
pair
... question is in which direction you move
<ChrisL> a selection that points into half of a surrogate pair
should expand to include the whole character
ED: second part of the issue is about exceptions if you have a
length value that goes beyond the number of characters (taking into
account the start offset)
... I don't see the point of the exception
<ed> from selectSubString:
<ed> DOMException INDEX_SIZE_ERR: Raised if the charnum is negative
or if charnum is greater than or equal to the number of characters
at this node.
<ed> in unsigned long nchars The number of characters in the
substring. If nchars specifies more characters than are available,
then the substring will consist of all characters starting with
charnum until the end of the list of characters.
the exception is fine if you pass a negative value, but other than
that we should probably align the the selectSubString way
<ed> <text>abc</text>
<ed> getSubStringLength(0,5)
<ChrisL> text on a path with abcdefghijk
<ChrisL> and the path can display abc
<ChrisL> you ask for substroing len of abcde
CL: what should happen with the invisible characters that can't be
rendered along the path
<ChrisL> de are not displayed
ED: not clear from the description of the method
CL: invisible characters don't contribute to the rendered extent
ED: it would affect all of the text methods
CL: sounds like a useful clarification
... it affects all the text methods that depend on the rendering
rather than the original characters
ED: will close the original action and we'll open a new one
... still have to mail Ian Hickson
<scribe> ACTION: ED to clarify/errata for text DOM methods in SVG
1.1, specify that unrendered characters don't contribute to the
computation; remove exceptions of getSubStringLength; clarify about
unseparable characters [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2010 - Clarify/errata for text DOM
methods in SVG 1.1, specify that unrendered characters don't
contribute to the computation; remove exceptions of
getSubStringLength; clarify about unseparable characters [on Erik
Dahlström - due 2008-05-13].
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: AG to move Test review allocation table to the new
wiki and add comment and reviewed column [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: ED to clarify/errata for text DOM methods in SVG 1.1,
specify that unrendered characters don't contribute to the
computation; remove exceptions of getSubStringLength; clarify about
unseparable characters [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: ED to errata the font section and allow font-face
everywhere where font is allowed [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: ED to send in comments about XHTML role attribute
[recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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