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RE: SVG IG Conf Call Agenda (April 6th) -- Book business

From: Dailey, David P. <david.dailey@sru.edu>
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:59:41 -0400
Message-ID: <1835D662B263BC4E864A7CFAB2FEEB3D021FE074@msfexch01.srunet.sruad.edu>
To: "Jeff Schiller" <codedread@gmail.com>, "SVG IG List" <public-svg-ig@w3.org>
Thanks and sorry Jeff (and all). The time change must have clobbered me somehow.

Regarding the discussion of the book on the agenda, let me just report that
a) I hope to have a draft suitable for publication in a couple of weeks. I'm done with all the reviewers' comments except for Erik D's and Ruud's. 
b) there are lots of things that the document will not address <em>for now</em>
a new "Afterword" addresses some of those known limitations:
http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/cs427/StateOfArt-Dailey.html#Afterword . Note that there are a lot of good suggestions for additions (mainly coming from Erik, but from others as well). It'd take 3 person months to do all of them and I don't see having those months within the next year. See also (c) and (g) below for suggestions on opening the process to other contributors.
c) Ruud has offered to help with making the document validate. There are currently over 1500 validation errors. I know many of these were introduced through my hand editing of the HTML source; some are just my flawed understanding of HTML. In some cases, like handling <pre><code>&lt;source></code></pre> sequences, I couldn't get things to style the way I wanted so I had to devise some rather ugly applications of style sheets to tags that are not entirely correct. Note also (as mentioned in the Afterword) that accessibility needs to be addressed, and probably before we go "live."
d) The document looks quite different right now across browsers. The whole table of contents thing in Opera is particularly awful. I'll need some help figuring out how to straighten that out.
e) the thing has some "live" javascript code in it right now (in the appendix on javascript) but there is not yet any live svg. 
f) I've had three offers to help in new directions: Shaun Roe reiterated his interest in putting together an XSLT section (and maybe he can be persuaded to add some more AJAX as well). A couple of different members of the SVG WG contacted me about a) translating the whole thing to SVG (which sounded really cool!) and b) making a PDF version and translating into French! All very exciting! I do have some interest in maintaining a narrative style, a mood, a perspective, and a pedagogical philosophy (I'd like to think that most of this is outlined in the Preface (http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/cs427/StateOfArt-Dailey.html#preface) but I know that my idiosyncratic biases probably extend well beyond this), so am not yet ready to just open it all up as a wiki. Maybe in time, I will grow out of this.
g) As it mentions in the Afterword, I want to open the process for adding new sections to the document, but haven't quite figured out proper mechanisms for the workflow yet. I've encouraged Shaun to send very plain unstyled HTML with text, <p>s and <img>s, since I know (sort of) how to deal with that. 
h) Any objections to my getting rid of the HTML appendix? http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/cs427/StateOfArt-Dailey.html#HTML_basics 
I haven't taken the time (circa six hours) to clean up the HTML there, and as I've said I don't think it belongs here now that the document is a web document rather than a print one.
i) When I run into questions, (like the recent ones concerning how best to handle <embed>, <iframe> etc) I have brought them up here on this mailing list. Is that a good idea, or is there some other way folks would like that to be handled without generating book-related traffic here?
j) I'm certain there are other thoughts I've had on my mind, but that's all I can think of at the moment.

So please feel free to keep the item on the agenda in my absence, or to provide any relevant feedback through email. I can read the minutes and see if there are any suggestions that emerge.


-----Original Message-----
From: public-svg-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-svg-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Schiller
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:22 AM
To: SVG IG List
Subject: Re: SVG IG Conf Call Agenda (April 6th)

Thanks to David pointing out that the time I listed below is inconsistent.

The time for the conference call this week will be :

Monday April 6th:
 12:00 UTC-5 (Noon Central)
 13:00 UTC-4 (1 PM Eastern)
 17:00 UTC+0
 18:00 UTC+1
 21:00 UTC+4

We will be keeping this time this week despite the following:

- David Dailey has indicated that this time doesn't work for him (he
will update his availability so we can plan for the next call)

- To Glenn Adams and those who have not entered their availability
yet, please enter it at http://www.schepers.cc/w3c/svg/ig/ (by
clicking 'someone else', entering your name/initials and painting your
available time) or if you are unable to do so, please tell us your
availability on the mailing list.

- There was a time change since Doug first posted the survey, so
please review and update your times based on your now current time if
you were affected by Daylight Savings Time.

Jeff Schiller

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a reminder that we'll be having our SVG Interest Group conference
> call Monday at 1 PM Eastern (17:00 UTC+0).
> - every other Monday (this week, April 6th)
> - 12:00 PM to 13:00 Eastern (check the wiki for your local time:
> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/index.php?title=Communication )
> - phone bridge number is +1.617.761.6200,  conference 78444 ("SVGIG")
> - we will be meeting concurrently in a chat room, on channel
> #svgig (irc://irc.w3.org, port 6665)
> - for those of you without easy access to IRC, W3C provides an IRC
> gateway accessible via the browser at
> http://cgi.w3.org/member-bin/irc/irc.cgi
> Since we haven't met for awhile, this will be a status update.  If
> you'd like something added to the agenda, please send it to the
> mailing list:
> 1) SVG Open
> 2) PlanetSVG
> 3) David Dailey's SVG book
> 4) State of SVG (latest news)
> Regards,
> Jeff Schiller
> On 4/2/09, Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello SVGers,
>>  We finally went through the best times for conference calls [1] and it
>>  looks like the following slot is at least Acceptable or better for
>>  everybody who entered their times:
>>  Mon 12:00 UTC-5
>>  Mon 13:00 UTC-4
>>  Mon 17:00 UTC+0
>>  Mon 18:00 UTC+1
>>  Mon 21:00 UTC+4
>>  So I'd like to have our first call at this time on April 6th, 2009.
>>  Agenda forthcoming.
>>  Thanks,
>>  Jeff Schiller
>>  [1] http://www.schepers.cc/w3c/svg/ig/?op=view
Received on Sunday, 5 April 2009 16:00:59 UTC

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