- From: Fred Esch <fesch@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 13:56:51 -0500
- To: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Cc: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>, SVG-A11y TF <public-svg-a11y@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <201603071903.u27J3Ig7000430@d01av03.pok.ibm.com>
Thanks Joseph and Joanie,
You are both in agreement the accessible description is 'the end'. My
apologies for being confused by ARIA, cut and paste errors and trying to
read emails about accessible calculations without any coffee..
Please let me know if you find any other errors on either test assertion
wiki page. The lang dependent test assertion wiki page should be fertile
ground for misinterpreted name and description calculations.
Regards,
Fred Esch
Watson, IBM, W3C
Accessibility
IBM Watson Watson Release Management and Quality
From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
To: Fred Esch/Arlington/IBM@IBMUS
Cc: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>, SVG-A11y TF
<public-svg-a11y@w3.org>
Date: 03/07/2016 01:17 PM
Subject: Re: svg accessibility tests
On 2016-03-07 1:01 PM, Fred Esch wrote:
> And that Joseph and webkit disagree on the accessible description
> calculation? Is that right?
No, as far as I can tell. Using Safari 9.0.3, and the Mac Accessibility
Inspector, for your description example, AXHelp is "the end". That
matches what he AccName-aam states for the mapping of accessible
descriptions for AXAPI [1]. It also matches what I said in the other
thread:
On 2016-03-07 12:04 PM, Joseph Scheuhammer wrote:
> Similarly, the accessible description is "the end". (Note: the
> description is neither "big end" nor "big finish" as you suggest,
> since the text for the element with id=t1 in the description example
> is simply "the").
[1]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#accessible-name-and-description-mapping
--
;;;;joseph.
'Die Wahrheit ist Irgendwo da Draußen. Wieder.'
- C. Carter -
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<html><body><p>Thanks Joseph and Joanie,<br><br>You are both in agreement the accessible description is <font size="4">'the end'</font>. My apologies for being confused by ARIA, cut and paste errors and trying to read emails about accessible calculations without any coffee.. <br><br>Please let me know if you find any other errors on either <a href="https://www.w3.org/wiki/SVG_Accessibility/Testing/Test_Assertions">test assertion wiki page</a>. The <a href="https://www.w3.org/wiki/SVG_Accessibility/Testing/Test_Assertions/Language">lang dependent test assertion wiki page</a> should be fertile ground for misinterpreted name and description calculations.<br><br><br>
<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr valign="top"><td width="473" colspan="2" valign="middle"><div align="center"><font size="4" face="Verdana">Regards, <br><br>Fred Esch <br>Watson, IBM, W3C Accessibility</font></div></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="130" valign="middle"><img src="cid:1__=0ABBF5FCDFF48DE58f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" width="163" height="23" alt="IBM Watson" align="bottom"></td><td width="342" valign="middle"><font size="4" face="Verdana">Watson Release Management and Quality </font></td></tr></table><br><br><img width="16" height="16" src="cid:2__=0ABBF5FCDFF48DE58f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt="Inactive hide details for Joseph Scheuhammer ---03/07/2016 01:17:27 PM---On 2016-03-07 1:01 PM, Fred Esch wrote: > And that Jos"><font color="#424282">Joseph Scheuhammer ---03/07/2016 01:17:27 PM---On 2016-03-07 1:01 PM, Fred Esch wrote: > And that Joseph and webkit disagree on the accessible desc</font><br><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">From: </font><font size="2">Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu></font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">To: </font><font size="2">Fred Esch/Arlington/IBM@IBMUS</font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Cc: </font><font size="2">Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>, SVG-A11y TF <public-svg-a11y@w3.org></font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Date: </font><font size="2">03/07/2016 01:17 PM</font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Subject: </font><font size="2">Re: svg accessibility tests</font><br><hr width="100%" size="2" align="left" noshade style="color:#8091A5; "><br><br><br><tt>On 2016-03-07 1:01 PM, Fred Esch wrote:<br>> And that Joseph and webkit disagree on the accessible description <br>> calculation? Is that right?<br><br>No, as far as I can tell. Using Safari 9.0.3, and the Mac Accessibility <br>Inspector, for your description example, AXHelp is "the end". That <br>matches what he AccName-aam states for the mapping of accessible <br>descriptions for AXAPI [1]. It also matches what I said in the other <br>thread:<br><br>On 2016-03-07 12:04 PM, Joseph Scheuhammer wrote:<br>> Similarly, the accessible description is "the end". (Note: the <br>> description is neither "big end" nor "big finish" as you suggest, <br>> since the text for the element with id=t1 in the description example <br>> is simply "the"). <br><br><br>[1] <br></tt><tt><a href="http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#accessible-name-and-description-mapping">http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#accessible-name-and-description-mapping</a></tt><tt><br><br>-- <br>;;;;joseph.<br><br>'Die Wahrheit ist Irgendwo da Draußen. Wieder.'<br> - C. Carter -<br><br></tt><br><br><BR>
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