Re: [SVG] graphics-doc role should be graphics-document (ARIA has avoided inconsistent abbreviation)

I don’t think we want to do that all the time. We can give a graphics document a Figure role and include them in a list of figures. I don’t think they would be part of the normal landmarks. We could ask ATs to include graphics-documents on a list of these with figures to jump to them.

Rich 


Rich Schwerdtfeger




> On Apr 29, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Fred Esch <fesch@us.ibm.com> wrote:
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> Stefan,
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> We are not claiming a graphics-document should be a landmark, but it is an interesting thought.
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> Regards, 
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> Fred Esch 
> Watson, IBM, W3C Accessibility
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> <graycol.gif>"Schnabel, Stefan" ---04/29/2016 10:00:53 AM---Due to the close relationship https://www.w3.org/TR/graphics-aria-1.0/#graphics-doc <https://www.w3.org/TR/graphics-aria-1.0/#graphics-doc> with role="docum
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> From:  "Schnabel, Stefan" <stefan.schnabel@sap.com <mailto:stefan.schnabel@sap.com>>
> To:  Fred Esch/Arlington/IBM@IBMUS, Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com <mailto:richschwer@gmail.com>>
> Cc:  Amelia Bellamy-Royds <amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com <mailto:amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com>>, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com <mailto:jcraig@apple.com>>, ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org <mailto:public-aria@w3.org>>, SVG-A11y TF <public-svg-a11y@w3.org <mailto:public-svg-a11y@w3.org>>
> Date:  04/29/2016 10:00 AM
> Subject:  RE: [SVG] graphics-doc role should be graphics-document (ARIA has avoided inconsistent abbreviation)
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> Due to the close relationship https://www.w3.org/TR/graphics-aria-1.0/#graphics-doc <https://www.w3.org/TR/graphics-aria-1.0/#graphics-doc> with role=”document”:
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> Application and document are currently treated as landmarks in AT.
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> Should it be possible to use landmark navigation to navigate to elements with role=“graphics-document”? With other words,
> is “graphics-document” besides from being ARIA structure related intended to have landmark properties, too? 
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> If so, the long format would reflect that more properly.
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> - Stefan
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> From: Fred Esch [mailto:fesch@us.ibm.com <mailto:fesch@us.ibm.com>] 
> Sent: Freitag, 29. April 2016 15:27
> To: Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com>
> Cc: Amelia Bellamy-Royds <amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com>; James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>; ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>; SVG-A11y TF <public-svg-a11y@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: [SVG] graphics-doc role should be graphics-document (ARIA has avoided inconsistent abbreviation)
> Either graphics-doc or graphics-document is fine by me.
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> Regards, 
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> Fred Esch 
> Watson, IBM, W3C Accessibility
> <0A980483.gif> Watson Release Management and Quality 
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> <graycol.gif>Rich Schwerdtfeger ---04/28/2016 11:37:46 PM---I am fine with changing it but with the prefix it is a mouthful. Now would be the time to change it.
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> From: Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com <mailto:richschwer@gmail.com>>
> To: Amelia Bellamy-Royds <amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com <mailto:amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com>>
> Cc: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com <mailto:jcraig@apple.com>>, ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org <mailto:public-aria@w3.org>>, SVG-A11y TF <public-svg-a11y@w3.org <mailto:public-svg-a11y@w3.org>>
> Date: 04/28/2016 11:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [SVG] graphics-doc role should be graphics-document (ARIA has avoided inconsistent abbreviation)
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> I am fine with changing it but with the prefix it is a mouthful. Now would be the time to change it. We can post it like does anyone object to the name change and just do it if no objections. I don't want to take meeting time for that.
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> Rich
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> Rich
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Amelia Bellamy-Royds <amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com <mailto:amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com>> wrote:
> If there is consensus on the main ARIA working group to go with the longer name, I don't have a problem with that. In the SVG Accessibility Task Force, we did discuss a number of variations on the name and settled on graphics-doc as a compromise between concise and comprehensible.
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> I would ask for a quick resolution, though (i.e., comments on mailing list this week & discussion at the next ARIA telcon), so we can update all the specs sooner rather than later, and definitely before the next heartbeat drafts.
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> ~Amelia
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> On 28 April 2016 at 19:14, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com <mailto:jcraig@apple.com>> wrote:
> While reviewing a related thread, I noticed the "graphics-doc" role should be "graphics-document"... With the unfortunate exception of the "img" role (I admit missing this), ARIA has avoided inconsistent abbreviation.
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> http://www.w3.org/TR/graphics-aria-1.0/#graphics-doc <http://www.w3.org/TR/graphics-aria-1.0/#graphics-doc>