- From: Fred Esch <fesch@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:58:46 -0500
- To: "SVG-A11y TF" <public-svg-a11y@w3.org>
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fesch topic: SVG-AAM
AmeliaBR http://rawgit.com/AmeliaBR/aria/svg-aam/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
fesch scribe:fesch
AmeliaBR http://rawgit.com/AmeliaBR/aria/svg-aam/svg-aam/svg-aam.html#mapping_state-property
fesch reviewing Amelia's changes
fesch abr: clarified xlink in section 9 (deprecated) with a new paragraph
fesch ds: may not need to jump through all those hoops
fesch abr: trying to avoid painful rules
fesch ds: just refer the SVG spec...
fesch abr: can be clear this is our application the SVG rule
fesch rs: I will be updating the aria portion of the SVG 2 spec
fesch fe: are we changing the samples to not use xlink?
fesch abr: SVG 2 recommendation is that authoring tools should use both
fesch ds: href works in IE 9, will check in chrome
fesch abr: if they have good support if in existing browsers we will change the examples
fesch abr: date - will get tiedied up for publication
fesch abr: hidden vs visible -
fesch rs: have to work with the core AAM on hidden vs visible
fesch abr: I don't have too much trouble with def in glossary, since I changed verbage in our SVG docs ...
to include perceivable
fesch abr: text in core AAM is more problematic as it references SVG visibility property
fesch rs: sound fine for now
fesch ds: on mac href (no xlink) does not work on chrome or firefox
fesch abr: can't change examples to use href alone (need to include xlink)
AmeliaBR http://rawgit.com/AmeliaBR/aria/svg-aam/svg-aam/svg-aam.html#mapping_view
fesch abr: viewTarget - back to SVG WG
fesch abr: added editors note about status... and value of viewTarget
fesch abr: process I proposed for view - does not have a target in accessibility tree -
fesch rs: can you navigate inside a view
fesch ds: all a view is like a link
fesch ds: navigation within the area is not dependent upon the view
fesch ds: we might want to change that
fesch ds: view is like a viewbox... focus could still be outside that
fesch abr: we want it to follow the link and have focus in the view
fesch discussion on navigation
fesch ds: view was originally a visible thing...
fesch abr: the view itself is not a link - viewTarget should get focus
fesch ds: a view is a view!
fesch fe: could say a view does not support navigation
fesch abr: when we have a sprite sheet, want the AT to read the title and description of the sprinte
fesch abr: when you have a map and you click on a link the map zooms in...
fesch abr: when you navigate with a jump link you want the focus to change
fesch abr: complication how we are implementing it with the accessibility tree
fesch rs: may need new semantics
fesch fe: in the second case why can't we treat it like flowto?
fesch abr: focus doesn't move (only for AT)
fesch rs: we want a flowto + change in focus
fesch abr: a link will change focus...
fesch abr: view not in accessibility tree, can only treat it as modifying the SVG.
fesch ds: how much is a view used?
fesch abr: not much -sprites
fesch ds: for the interactive document case, most people will use JavaScript, for sprites, you want to
update the name and description
fesch s/ds/abr/
fesch ds: if you link to a focus target we can do that, when a view does not have a target, then the
author has to do it theirself
fesch rs: we would need to make it aware there is a change in content
fesch rs: this is automatic
fesch abr: no, if you follow a link and the target is a view.
fesch ds: only time it is "automatic" is via the URL, not the same kind of thing that is a link
fesch abr: I would like the AT only to get the name/description from the view, not lots of extra stuff.
fesch abr: for views, you have a sheet of sprites.
fesch ds: need everyone to understand use and view
fesch abr: are folks ok with the editors note?
fesch ds: at this point this is the best thing we can do
fesch abr: other big outstanding issue is use -
fesch abr: right now they are treated like a stamp (image)
fesch abr: if use does not have a name (label....) then can look in content...
fesch abr: if SVG goes to a web components model, then a bigger problem
fesch rs: web components would be ARIA 2.O for now treat as an image
fesch rs: goal is to get this document on par with core AAM -
fesch rs: this will be a heartbeat...
fesch rs: amelia will update, then we send to MC as a heartbeat to get that done
fesch abr: we can do an end to end the Graphics Module...
fesch fe: I sent an email on that one too
fesch rs: target both Graphics Module and SVG AAM targeted for 1st week of Dec
fesch rrsagent, make minutes
Regards,
Fred Esch
Watson, IBM, W3C
Accessibility
IBM Watson Watson Release Management and Quality
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<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">reviewing Amelia's changes</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: clarified xlink in section 9 (deprecated) with a new paragraph</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: may not need to jump through all those hoops </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: trying to avoid painful rules</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: just refer the SVG spec...</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: can be clear this is our application the SVG rule</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rs: I will be updating the aria portion of the SVG 2 spec</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">fe: are we changing the samples to not use xlink?</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: SVG 2 recommendation is that authoring tools should use both</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: href works in IE 9, will check in chrome</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: if they have good support if in existing browsers we will change the examples</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: date - will get tiedied up for publication</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: hidden vs visible - </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rs: have to work with the core AAM on hidden vs visible</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: I don't have too much trouble with def in glossary, since I changed verbage in our SVG docs ... to include perceivable </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: text in core AAM is more problematic as it references SVG visibility property</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rs: sound fine for now</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: on mac href (no xlink) does not work on chrome or firefox</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: can't change examples to use href alone (need to include xlink)</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><a href="irc://irc.w3.org/AmeliaBR,isnick"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">AmeliaBR</font></u></a></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><a href="http://rawgit.com/AmeliaBR/aria/svg-aam/svg-aam/svg-aam.html#mapping_view" target="_content"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">http://rawgit.com/AmeliaBR/aria/svg-aam/svg-aam/svg-aam.html#mapping_view</font></u></a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: viewTarget - back to SVG WG</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: added editors note about status... and value of viewTarget</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: process I proposed for view - does not have a target in accessibility tree -</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rs: can you navigate inside a view</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: all a view is like a link</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: navigation within the area is not dependent upon the view</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: we might want to change that</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: view is like a viewbox... focus could still be outside that</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: we want it to follow the link and have focus in the view</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">discussion on navigation</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: view was originally a visible thing...</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: the view itself is not a link - viewTarget should get focus</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: a view is a view!</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">fe: could say a view does not support navigation</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: when we have a sprite sheet, want the AT to read the title and description of the sprinte</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: when you have a map and you click on a link the map zooms in...</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: when you navigate with a jump link you want the focus to change</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: complication how we are implementing it with the accessibility tree</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rs: may need new semantics</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">fe: in the second case why can't we treat it like flowto?</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: focus doesn't move (only for AT)</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rs: we want a flowto + change in focus</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: a link will change focus...</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: view not in accessibility tree, can only treat it as modifying the SVG.</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: how much is a view used?</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: not much -sprites</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: for the interactive document case, most people will use JavaScript, for sprites, you want to update the name and description</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">s/ds/abr/</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: if you link to a focus target we can do that, when a view does not have a target, then the author has to do it theirself</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rs: we would need to make it aware there is a change in content</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rs: this is automatic</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: no, if you follow a link and the target is a view. </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: only time it is "automatic" is via the URL, not the same kind of thing that is a link</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: I would like the AT only to get the name/description from the view, not lots of extra stuff.</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: for views, you have a sheet of sprites.</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: need everyone to understand use and view</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: are folks ok with the editors note?</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">ds: at this point this is the best thing we can do</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: other big outstanding issue is use - </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: right now they are treated like a stamp (image)</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: if use does not have a name (label....) then can look in content...</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: if SVG goes to a web components model, then a bigger problem</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rs: web components would be ARIA 2.O for now treat as an image</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rs: goal is to get this document on par with core AAM - </font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rs: this will be a heartbeat...</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rs: amelia will update, then we send to MC as a heartbeat to get that done</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">abr: we can do an end to end the Graphics Module...</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">fe: I sent an email on that one too</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rs: target both Graphics Module and SVG AAM targeted for 1st week of Dec</font></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="msg-timestamp" width="4" valign="middle"><img width="1" height="1" src="cid:1__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt=""></td><td class="msg-user" width="68" valign="middle"><font size="4">fesch</font></td><td class="msg-data" width="803" valign="middle"><font size="4">rrsagent, make minutes</font></td></tr></table><br><br><br>
<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr valign="top"><td width="473" colspan="2" valign="middle"><div align="center"><font size="4" face="Verdana">Regards, <br><br>Fred Esch <br>Watson, IBM, W3C Accessibility</font></div></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td width="130" valign="middle"><img src="cid:2__=0ABBF466DFC420E68f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" width="163" height="23" alt="IBM Watson" align="bottom"></td><td width="342" valign="middle"><font size="4" face="Verdana">Watson Release Management and Quality </font></td></tr></table><br><BR>
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