Re: [minutes] Internationalization telecon 2016-08-04 with Social Web WG

The confusing thing there is that the text to copy doesn't layout in the
browser the way "should look like" says.

I did some experiments with indieweb processing tools.
http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/-inline-rtl-works-in-reverse-without-implementers-knowing
has the hard rtl character
This made it through the processing chain to irc, webmention, irc logs and
Slack ok, but Facebook and Twitter stripped it.

The more subtle rlm marker here
http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/the-title-is-%D9%85%D9%81%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%A8-in-arabicexclamation-mark-should-be-on-left-test1-1
made it through the indieweb processing chains too, but again was stripped
by Facebook and Twitter.

This reinforces the point that if we can embed the rtl nuances in the utf8
directly, it can likely survive more processing stages, as most text is
passed through unmodified. If there is an external marker that needs to be
processed at each stage and preserved, it is much less likely to stand up
to a toolchain.

On 5 Aug 2016 7:45 am, <ishida@w3.org> wrote:

> On 05/08/2016 13:31, ishida@w3.org wrote:
>
>> jasnell: Whatever we do with the metadata, however we indicate
>>    this base direction, there is definitely a tradeoff cost
>>
> ...
>
>    ... But we need to take that time to balance the approach
>>    against existing complexity of name vs nameMap
>>    ... We should take our time, put together a proposal
>>
>>    r12a: I'll try to provide some tests you can use
>>
>>    jasnell: appreciate that
>>
>
>
> Maybe this will be of some help.  I mentioned it on the call, but i have
> significantly expanded it since.  It contains strings you can use to test
> various things. (When copying a string ensure that you pick up the whole
> thing (eg. triple click), since there may be invisible controls at the
> start or end of the line that need to be picked up too.)
>
> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Bidi_in_social_media
>
> cheers,
> ri
>
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