Re: Getting the group back on track

On 10/14/2015 09:13 PM, Jason Robinson wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> A big +1 the the email of Christopher.
> 
>    > Right now, off top of my head implementers would be:
>    >
>    > 1) IBM Connections
>    > 2) Pump.io
>    > 3) MediaGoblin
>    > 4) Objective8 (Thoughtworks)
>    >
>    > Anyone else?
> 
> I'm pretty sure if a clear and well thought JSON based language comes
> out, diaspora* is interested. However, AS2 is only the language part,
> personally waiting to see how the protocol parts start to take shape.
> Hoping to have more time to contribute to those stages which imho are
> more important for our use case at least. TBH, the way that objects and
> actions are presented for transfer is only a minor part in the whole big
> engine of two servers exchanging messages. For diaspora*, and the
> Friendica + Hubzilla that are connected with it using the same protocol,
> the server to server is key.
> 
> Personally I hope the language semantics part could be quickly locked
> down and the work moved on to figure out the protocol stuff. There is
> not going to be a "works for all final" version delivered by any group
> ever - everything is always iterated on, and it is better to deliver
> something concise and small first, instead of trying to tackle everything.
> 
> Just a few comments regarding how diaspora* federates. Basically we have;
> 
> * webfinger and .well-known/meta-info for discovery
> * XML language for actions and content
> * Salmon Magic Envelope for signing the XML content
> 
> The project is in the works of pushing out the federation code to a
> separate repository, which means it would be easier to start using
> another protocol in some future. The key things that we need however are
> pretty much the three items above;
> 
> * discovering
> * describing content
> * authoring
> 
> Especially the last one is something that I'd be interested in hearing
> some thoughts about, what kind of idea has this group got on how to sign
> AS2 JSON content payloads? Outside diaspora*, I've got some personal
> plans on creating a Python library to abstract several protocols, as an
> experiment if nothing else. Currently it supports diaspora* for some
> limited stuff, receiving and sending posts, and I would like to add some
> AS2 based routes there too. Content signing is *the* most important
> thing to get right.

We had months ago bit intense conversation around JSON-LD Signatures
* http://manu.sporny.org/2013/sm-vs-jose/
* https://youtu.be/QdUZaYeQblY
* https://github.com/digitalbazaar/jsonld-signatures

I hope to give them a try in near future. Also combined with content
addressable versioning of documents...

> 
> Regarding talk about low participation. Personally I'd feel easier to
> participate in email discussions more. The conference call is at a
> difficult time and I doubt any time would suit everyone. Also, I believe
> WebEx was chosen which doesn't even work properly on Linux I guess?
> Email is imho much more powerful as discussion can happen at any time.
> Hoping to increase personal participation once things move away from the
> message semantics where something JSON based is the only choice that at
> least diaspora* would support. The AS2 draft looks very sufficient -
> something like diaspora* couldn't implement even half of it, with our
> current different social actions.
>

Received on Thursday, 15 October 2015 16:58:09 UTC