Re: streaming/push "out of scope", was Re: on API Requirements

On 01/31/2015 05:28 PM, Harry Halpin wrote:
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> On 01/31/2015 03:47 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
>> On 01/29/2015 04:30 PM, Evan Prodromou wrote:
>>> Everyone is blown away by the size of these requirements already.
>>>
>>> A streaming protocol for streams would be a great addition later, but
>>> trying to jam it in here will literally sink this project.
>>>
>>> Please accept this as being out of scope.
>>
>> I might be misunderstanding what you mean by "out of scope".  To me, in
>> a WG, "out of scope" means "we're not even going to talk about this
>> issue, because it's not the kind of problem our charter says we're
>> supposed to talk about".  In general, it's up to the chairs in guiding
>> to conversation to steer it away from things that are out of scope (in
>> this sense) given their reading of the charter.
>>
>> What I think you're saying above is that you don't think streams/push
>> should be one of the requirements for the API.   That's plausible, but
>> maybe we can label that as "Not a requirement", instead of "out of
>> scope"?    That is, it's up to the group to come to consensus on what
>> the requirements for the API are, and you're arguing this should not be
>> one.  I'm sympathetic to your argument, but I'd also be interested in
>> hearing whether likely vendors of this stuff think they can sell systems
>> without streaming/push.
>>
>> The alternative interpretation is that maybe you think our charter
>> doesn't allow us to even consider this as a possible requirement, that
>> it's out-of-scope for the group.   Like, an authentication system would
>> surely be out-of-scope, and Harry was just arguing that WebFinger is out
>> of scope.
> 
> As pointed out, WebApps is already dealing with streaming and push. We
> should simply co-ordinate around their Rec-track work (which has all
> browser vendors involved BTW) and rather than reinvent wheel.
Could you please share with us relevant link(s)? Maybe even add it to
the wiki: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Streaming_%26_Push