Re: Boeing resignations (hopefully temporary for me)

On 1 October 2015 at 18:46, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
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> On 1 October 2015 at 17:39, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
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>> On 1 October 2015 at 15:02, Krebs, Edward (E.C.) <ekrebs@ford.com> wrote:
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>>> There are some good architecture starting points. The social Headlights
>>> task Force started on this path. I suggested one view based on that initial
>>> work in the *Workshop on Social Standards* in August 2013.
>>> http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/An%20Enterprise%20Social%20Network%20Reference%20Architecture.pdf
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>>> IBM presented one in 2014:
>>> http://www.slideshare.net/heathwulf/social-architecture-1-h2014
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>> Thanks Edward, these are great slides.
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>> What really struck me was the call for a:
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>> - People Centric
>> - Relationship Driven
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>> architecture.  I think the work we've started out on has a gap here.
>> While there's a lot of work done to cater for micro blogging enthusiasts
>> the enterprise has been less well served, imho.
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>> I think these presentations could be a great basis to create an
>> architecture document, which is missing, not just in this group, but in the
>> social web in general.  In creating a people centric, relationship driven
>> architecture we can talk about people and relationships.  How this can be
>> achieved technically, as part of a social graph.  The declarative nature
>> using the law of least power.  Having open ended extensibility to cater for
>> enterprise use cases as well as common social networking features.
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>> Essentially creating the awww [1] of the social web.  An essential
>> document for anyone creating a system in the social web, either in an
>> enterprise or public setting, that will cover all the base work needed to
>> get started with real world use cases.  It's something that's been missing
>> for 10 years, and imho, one reason that has lead to balkanization.
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>> This is an IG deliverable.  Would anyone in the IG wish to help with
>> this?
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>> Where could we get started -- perhaps a wiki page, then migrate to a
>> github repo?
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> elf has suggested building on :
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> http://w3c-social.github.io/social-arch/
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> Which I think is a great idea.  I've chatted to Amy too, who hopefully may
> have some cycles free to collaborate.
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> Input here or on in the github issues very welcome! :)
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Im going to start working on this document, but my initial thoughts are:

"Data Model" is too broad a section, I'd like to see it broken down as
follows:

"People" -- this is a loose term that can mean nodes in general, referring
to people, agents, accounts, profiles, groups etc. but try to capture that
the social people is people oriented.

Have architectural best practices for modeling people:

1. Give a person a URL
2. Give that url a type (as exemplified by open graph protocol, schema.org
and foaf)
3. Distinguish between the (HTTP) document and the person, as this could
cause processor problems
4. Allow people to have relationships

Then cover "Relationships" as a basis of relationship driven design

1. Show the nature of relationships as one way and two way
2. Show typical relationship styles such as, follow, friend, co-worker etc.
3. Show an open ended architecture for extensibility and reuse

Once these two core pieces are described, show how they are combined to
form a social graph.  Talk about the read, write and search functionality
etc.

I would suggest moving as much of the technical decisions as possible out
into another doc, and keeping the architecture document clean and minimal
yet, covering all the basics an implementor would need to get started and
to tackle the user stories.


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>> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/
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>>> Regards,
>>> Edward C. Krebs
>>> Enterprise Architect
>>> Enterprise Technology Research
>>> Ford Motor Company Information Technology
>>>
>>> *Quote of the day:*
>>> "The best way to predict the future is to invent it." --* Alan Kay*
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>>> *From:* Melvin Carvalho [mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2015 5:08 PM
>>> *To:* Bassetti, Ann
>>> *Cc:* Larry Hawes; Social Web Working Group;
>>> public-social-interest@w3.org
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>>> *Subject:* Re: Boeing resignations (hopefully temporary for me)
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>>> On 30 September 2015 at 17:17, Bassetti, Ann <ann.bassetti@boeing.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>> Actually, an Invited Expert can be a Chair.... so, come ahead, Larry!
>>> (or anyone else?)  I'd love to have a co-chair!  -- Ann
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>>> PS. I'm online, in our WebEx session, right now.  I'll hang out there
>>> for an hour.
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>>> Thanks Ann.
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>>> I was on the call today and we had an informal chat about use of social
>>> web at boeing and the IG deliverables.
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>>> Regarding the IG deliverables we talked about the user stories, minor
>>> objections and ways to group them.
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>>> We also looked at the other possible deliverables of a social
>>> architecture document and vocabs.  Personally I think vocabs is being
>>> covered quite well in Jame's work, so hopefully that can be built upon.
>>>
>>> Regarding a social architecture my thought was that many user stories
>>> have pre-requites that are not documented anywhere.  Some kind of overview
>>> document that could cover general web and social web architecture, and how
>>> that sets the scene for implementors to build user stories could be useful,
>>> as it doesnt seem to exist anywhere else.  For example, some user stories
>>> might state "Alice is following Bob" but an implementor may not know what
>>> that means or find it too ambiguous to get started.  We thought about
>>> examining such assumptions together and how that could underly
>>> implementations in both the enterprise and micro blogging scenarios which
>>> could see varied usage.
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>>> *From:* Larry Hawes [mailto:larry@dowbrook.com]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2015 5:41 AM
>>> *To:* Bassetti, Ann
>>> *Cc:* Social Web Working Group; public-social-interest@w3.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: Boeing resignations (hopefully temporary for me)
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>>> Ann,
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>>> This is awful news for the group, even if your absence will be temporary
>>> and relatively short. I too hope Sandro will step up and chair the IG (I'm
>>> not a full W3C member and, thus, ineligible to do so). We'll miss you and
>>> hope to have you involved again in three months. Be well until then.
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>>> Larry
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>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> Larry Hawes, Principal
>>> Dow Brook Advisory Services <http://www.dowbrook.com>
>>> E: larry@dowbrook.com
>>> P: 978-238-8534
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>>> <http://www.dowbrook.com/>
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>>> ---- On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 16:53:58 -0400 *Ann Bassetti
>>> <ann.bassetti@boeing.com <ann.bassetti@boeing.com>>* wrote ----
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>>> Hello Social Web WG and IG folks –
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>>> I'm writing to let you know my status for the next few months...
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>>> As some of you know, I am the Boeing representative to the W3C. I am sad
>>> to report that I have not been able to nail down the funding (due on Sept.
>>> 30th) for our continued membership.  Thus, day after tomorrow, I must
>>> resign all Boeing participants from their respective Working Groups.  This
>>> will included dropping me, Adam Boyet and Mark Bryant from the Social Web
>>> WG and IG.
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>>> Once Boeing drops the membership, no one who is a member may apply to be
>>> a W3C Invited Expert.  (This is per the W3C Process, which is very clear on
>>> that point. Logically, they don't want companies to 'cheat' on their
>>> membership fees by putting people into groups as IEs.)
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>>> Personally, I hope to continue with the W3C in some new role after I
>>> leave Boeing – as yet, unclear what. For me there is a 3-month awkward
>>> phase. In this time when I am still a Boeing employee, but the company is
>>> not a member, I may not be an Invited Expert. When I am officially gone
>>> from Boeing, I expect to request Invited Expert status.  I hope Sandro will
>>> chair the Social Web Interest Group for the next 3 months, and then I hope
>>> to pick it up again in my 'new' life. Maybe he'll figure out how to
>>> reinvigorate the group while I'm gone!
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>>> Since it only occurs once/year, I am going to the TPAC in October  –
>>> self-funded, using up my vacation time, and as a 'free agent'.  (To
>>> formalize my attendance, I'll be there as an invited guest of Jeff Jaffe
>>> (W3C CEO).) Although we are not having a formal F2F meeting of the Social
>>> WG/IG, I hope to hold a session on this topic, as well as consult with
>>> others  on what we're doing, what they want from "social", and why don't
>>> they participate? I hope Tantek, Amy, Arnaud, (anyone else attending TPAC?)
>>> will want to share hosting such a session. (It would be interesting to hear
>>> any questions you have, or messages you'd like passed along!)
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>>> So – have good meetings for the next 3 months. I look forward to
>>> reconnecting in early 2016.
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>>>   -- Ann
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>>> Ann Bassetti
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>>> The Boeing Company
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>>> mobile:  +1.206.218.8039
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>>> email:  ann.bassetti@boeing.com
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