[w3c sml][agenda] 2007-11-29 SML Teleconference

Marv/Zulah/Kumar, it appears you may be scribing this week. 

Chair: when sending out an agenda, use following format 
  [w3c sml][agenda] yyyy-mm-dd SML          in subject of email ([agenda] 
agreed to, rest chair's convention) 
Chair: when sending out an updated agenda, use following format, "n" = 
update number, 1st update == 2, etc. 
  [w3c sml][agenda][ver n] yyyy-mm-dd SML   in subject of email ([agenda] 
[ver n] agreed to, rest chair's convention) 
Scribe: read entire agenda, I restructured it so your "to do"s around the 
scribe list are time-sequenced 
  i.e. less to remember

The phone number to use for the SML WG teleconference is documented on the 
WG's administrative home page: 
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/SML#phone 

Participants are invited to join IRC channel, as documented on the WG's 
administrative home page: 
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/SML#irc

Teleconference Time and Length (two hours) 
Pacific   11 AM -  1 PM 
Mountain  12 PM -  2 PM 
Central    1 PM -  3 PM 
Eastern    2 PM -  4 PM 
UK         7 PM -  9 PM 
Paris      8 PM - 10 PM 

Proposed Agenda: 

1. Roll call (present/regrets/absent) 

2. Selection of Scribe based on list below
   New scribes see: 
   - Scribe Quick Start Guide 
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm 
   - Scribe FAQ 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Oct/0001.html 

Last Scribe Date  Member Name               Regrets pending
2007-08-30        Lipton, Paul              until mid-December 2007
2007-10-15        Waschke, Marvin 
2007-10-17        Eckert, Zulah 
2007-10-17        Kumar, Pandit 
2007-11-01        Gao, Sandy 
2007-11-08        Smith, Virginia 
2007-11-12        Wilson, Kirk 
2007-11-15        Lynn, James 
2007-11-19        Valentina Popescu 
2007-11-26        Boucher, Jordan 
Exempt            Arwe, John
Exempt            Dublish, Pratul
Exempt            MSM
Exempt            PH

3. Approval of minutes from previous meeting(s): 
   -  11/26 ...URI not available as of this writing.

4. Upcoming meetings
   - http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/SML#schedule
   - January meeting in Orlando: 
     - "arrangements" page from David Ezell still not here

5. Action items:
   http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/sml/

6. Review bugs with no keywords or target 
   http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5283

7. Review and attempt to reach consensus on other non-editorial 
"hasProposal" bugs.
   Ginny suggested we would thrash less if we dealt with clusters of 
related bugs.
   Attached file has a now-aging snapshot we can start with.

   Within a cluster, odds are it will make sense to close out any 
"needsReview" bugs first (either we
   have consensus, it's no longer needsReview, or the editors need to 
re-spin the proposed text).

   a. Everyone please append their comments on the needsReview bugs, 
followed by hasProposal, prior to meeting.
      If the set of appends demonstrates consensus, they'll go by faster. 

   b. Use Ginny's approach of clustering to get related sets of changes 
freed up for editors 
      - EPR 
      - fragments 
      - data 
      - schema 
      - identity
      - (skip) constraints, kumar and sandy do not have a proposal yet 
afaik 
      - 4687 DTDs
      - 4772 localization
      - cycles

   c. 1-offs 
      - 4644 assertions on locals ... assumes Kumar has fished out what he 
needed to

   That leaves 
      - constraints 
      - 5181 xml base 
      - 5283 "interchange set" or "interchange model"
      - 5291 Add 'Consistent Reference Schemes' section under 4.2 
Reference Semantics


n-3. Scribe: update scribe list below in this meeting's minutes, for use 
in the next meeting's agenda: 
   Update the list below and sort it (LRU), leaving people who will be out 
for an extended period near the bottom 
   to keep the names of draftees for the current meeting near the top, so 
when the next agenda goes out people 
   will know if their name is at or near the top of the list to scribe 
next. 

Last Scribe Date  Member Name               Regrets pending
2007-08-30        Lipton, Paul              until mid-December 2007
2007-10-15        Waschke, Marvin 
2007-10-17        Eckert, Zulah 
2007-10-17        Kumar, Pandit 
2007-11-01        Gao, Sandy 
2007-11-08        Smith, Virginia 
2007-11-12        Wilson, Kirk 
2007-11-15        Lynn, James 
2007-11-19        Valentina Popescu 
2007-11-26        Boucher, Jordan 
Exempt            Arwe, John
Exempt            Dublish, Pratul
Exempt            MSM
Exempt            PH

n-2. Scribe: follow the steps in the Scribe Quick Start Guide through 
"Generate minutes" 
   http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm 
   Also issue the command "rrsagent, make log public" since we are a 
public workgroup.

   DO NOT use tools that significantly change the source html, like Word, 
to do your editing.
   Those tools make compare tools to sanity check the scribe's edits 
unusable even though it
   renders fine visually (even here, some like Word remove W3C style 
sheets so it renders
   with subtle differences).

n-1. Scribe: (optional)
   Send the original and updated minutes to the meeting chair as an 
editorial check before
   sending to the full list.  Assume the chair will use a compare tool.
 
n. Scribe: send the minutes to the public mailing list 
   After the meeting, follow the conventions we have agreed on within the 
wg to help 
  people search the email archives more effectively, namely: 
    [w3c sml][minutes] yyyy-mm-dd SML     in subject of email ([minutes] 
agreed to, rest chair's convention) 
  As with agendas, if minutes are updated include a [ver n] "tag" as well.

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n+1. Chair
     After meeting, update good standing list